D&D 5E (2014) No more D&D MtG Premier Sets (Blogatog & State of the Game sources)

[Bolares]

it's more anecdotal, just looking at who says good things about the set vs those who complain about it online and asking local LGS etc...

Ah, okay. I though some market research had been published.

 

[Scribe]

Ah, okay. I though some market research had been published.

Wizards knows. Mtg folks have their surveys pretty regularly, and Maro is pretty plugged in.

 

[Stormonu]

Im not a MtG player. I think in my 46 years I've played twice, maybe three times. Not knocking it, just wasnt my thing, was always a D&D player. MtG meets D&D or vice versa seems forced to me like that person in high school that tried to hang out with everyone because they didnt fit in with any of them. I'd like to see WotC concentrate on creating products for MtG fans or D&D fans, but not both.

I’ve actively avoided playing Magic myself in the past (exception: Battlebond, and couldn’t resist collecting Khaldheim), but I am enjoying a D&D Theros campaign, ran a Ravnica one-shot and I am eagerly looking forward to Strixhaven, so I really would like to see more MtG in D&D (especially Amonket, the Egyptian-themed plane), and it might get me to play & collect magic a bit more often.

With this FR set, though I didn’t buy any for myself, though my son did, and I ended up with the module cover lands.

 

[R_J_K75]

Never did well with holding cards, whether it was MtG or spades/hearts. Admittedly I bought the MtG D&D books, there on the shelf is where they sit, but I'd never say they were bad books, just not what I'd hoped for. Strixthaven sounds fun: right group and such. My players laughed at me when told them to make a sanity check in Ravenloft. So Im limited as Im sure other groups are to what they can run. Youve got people who play D&D and then theres people that play Planescape. Moral being, know your audience.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

It did sell well, and they will do more D&D sets, they just won’t be “premier” sets (meaning, standard-legal). Presumably because they think they will sell better as supplemental sets. And they’re probably right about that.

Breaking down the market for D&D MtG sets you have Spikes who dislike AFR for what they see as it's weakness more then its flavour.

Timmies come for the Dragons and other big creatures, so as long as they aren't put off by the flavour, they could be fine with AFR & future D&D sets.

Johnny's might be mostly concerned about power levels, but attracted to the usual game play and chaos of dice rolling.

I think the biggest flavour backlash is coming from the Vorthos community.

Melanie's are probably the most divided group depending on how they feel about dice rolling, but also the group most upset about no party, level up, Sagas, Experience, etc... in the set.

There are two more groups outside the normal ones to consider too, and these two groups, plus Johnny's and maybe Timmies are what's keeping AFR selling well instead of tanking.

D&D fans, largely the group who is happiest with this set, probably the the biggest set of buyers I'm guessing, in large amounts.

Forgotten Realms fans are alot less happy with the flavour then D&D fans (there is over lap between this group & D&D fans, but they aren't the same thing), the names of many of the modal cards and some of the others are extremely unimmersive, there is no Elminster, and other beloved characters are absent, and the set is extremely light on lore, but there is enough FR lore, characters, and flavour to still get them buying the set in large amounts.

Making the set a Commander Legends/Modern Horizons: FR type product will do much to attract the Spikes, Johnny's, Melanies, and Timmies, will cut back alot on the complaining of the Vorthos and others who don't like the flavour mixing, and there will be more lore space for FR fans. D&D fans are the easiest to make happy, keep dice rolling, better dungeons, lots of D&D creatures/spells/items, and make sure to port it to Arena like MH1&2 cards are they will buy tons of it.

 

[Charlaquin]

Eh, MaRo’s psychographic profiles are basically horoscopes.

 

[Maxperson]

It did sell well, and they will do more D&D sets, they just won’t be “premier” sets (meaning, standard-legal). Presumably because they think they will sell better as supplemental sets. And they’re probably right about that.

I ended up buying 5 boxes of Forgotten Realms and I haven't bought a box in several years. Oh, well. I guess I get to no spend my money on boxes again.

 

[Charlaquin]

I ended up buying 5 boxes of Forgotten Realms and I haven't bought a box in several years. Oh, well. I guess I get to no spend my money on boxes again.

Or you could just… you know, buy boxes of other D&D supplemental sets when they come out. Because it seems inevitable that they will. In fact, you sound like exactly the target audience for such sets.

Am I just speaking Greek when I say “premier set just means standard legal”?

 

[Henadic Theologian]

I ended up buying 5 boxes of Forgotten Realms and I haven't bought a box in several years. Oh, well. I guess I get to no spend my money on boxes again.

buy the supplemental sets and D&D Commander Decks. Brawl and Commander & their variants are more fun then Standard anyways.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Supplemental sets have inherent lower appeal. If you are not reprinting existing powerful cards to be played in other that Standard formats, you need a set to be standard legal for the number of cards and draw of needing it for the main format for a couple of years.

The real truth is that they dialed down the power level as several previous ones were too much the other way. If they has put better cards into AFR, much less complaints.

You under estimated the number of players who didn't like mixing the settings.