Wheel of Time Full Trailer is out *No Spoilers Please*

[MarkB]

Not every ask is reasonable. Someone referred to me talking about Vader’s reveal in Empire as a spoiler! That is completely out of alignment with reality. It’s a nearly 50 year old movie!

WoT isn’t quite that venerable, sure, but it ain’t new and it’s one of the most critically acclaimed and widely read fantasy properties out there. Discussing it without worrying about spoilers is normal social behavior.

Making an exception in a thread that was asking people new to the series to weigh in with their opinion would be reasonable though, would it not?

 

[Maxperson]

Not every ask is reasonable. Someone referred to me talking about Vader’s reveal in Empire as a spoiler! That is completely out of alignment with reality. It’s a nearly 50 year old movie!

WoT isn’t quite that venerable, sure, but it ain’t new and it’s one of the most critically acclaimed and widely read fantasy properties out there. Discussing it without worrying about spoilers is normal social behavior.

There's a rather large difference between an enormously popular movie/t.v/toy/game franchise that his been front and center in society for decades, and a book series that would only really be known to many people who like reading fantasy books, a good percentage of whom never finished the series. They aren't even close to being in the same league.

My take on this discussion.

1. Not really a spoiler to talk about the Vader reveal.
2. It is a spoiler to talk about reveals in the Wheel of Time.
3. If people have asked in a non-spoiler thread not to have Wheel of Time reveals spoiled, it's kinda jerkish to continue to spoil things. You can start a spoiler thread to discuss the series in more detail.

 

[TheSword]

There's a rather large difference between an enormously popular movie/t.v/toy/game franchise that his been front and center in society for decades, and a book series that would only really be known to many people who like reading fantasy books, a good percentage of whom never finished the series. They aren't even close to being in the same league.

My take on this discussion.

1. Not really a spoiler to talk about the Vader reveal.
2. It is a spoiler to talk about reveals in the Wheel of Time.
3. If people have asked in a non-spoiler thread not to have Wheel of Time reveals spoiled, it's kinda jerkish to continue to spoil things. You can start a spoiler thread to discuss the series in more detail.

Happy to enjoy a spoiler thread elsewhere. I love talking about Wheel of Time. If people hadn’t noticed.

There is a lot to be said about the many moments of awesome in WOT and how they might be adapted to the screen.

 

[Gradine]

Not every ask is reasonable. Someone referred to me talking about Vader’s reveal in Empire as a spoiler! That is completely out of alignment with reality. It’s a nearly 50 year old movie!

WoT isn’t quite that venerable, sure, but it ain’t new and it’s one of the most critically acclaimed and widely read fantasy properties out there. Discussing it without worrying about spoilers is normal social behavior.

Except that there's a new adaptation of it that is attempting to bring new people to the property, and this is a thread about that adaptation, where people are talking about how they've never read/finished the books but are interested in the show, and those same people are demonstrating they are upset at unmarked spoilers in this thread.

You are on the wrong side of this.

 

[Rune]

Not every ask is reasonable. Someone referred to me talking about Vader’s reveal in Empire as a spoiler! That is completely out of alignment with reality. It’s a nearly 50 year old movie!

For my rebuttal to this ridiculously untenable stance, see my previous posts.

WoT isn’t quite that venerable, sure, but it ain’t new and it’s one of the most critically acclaimed and widely read fantasy properties out there. Discussing it without worrying about spoilers is normal social behavior.

My rule of thumb is simple:

Willfully ignoring people’s desire not to be caused distress by your actions toward them is profoundly disrespectful. (As are all forms of social domination.) Because, you see, you’re taking away their agency in the matter. Defaulting to disrespect might be normal social behavior, but it sure isn’t right. Morally speaking.

I mean, I personally don’t like using the ignore function on these boards because I believe everyone who engages in sincere discussion has something to say that is worth listening to. And the ignore feature kind of throws the baby out with the bathwater.

But if your stance is effectively, “People who don’t want old things spoiled should go out of their way to make sure they can’t see my posts,” I guess I’d have to recommend that they do just that.

Unfortunately, given the cavalierly casual penchant you’ve displayed for throwing spoilers around without warning, the damage is likely to be done before they know to do so.

 

[TheSword]

In fairness to @doctorbadwolf I’m making a stink about it but have read the books 7 times over.

That said, I created the thread to discuss with people who hadn’t read the books or had only read part to see how they reacted to the trailer. So I think everything you said still stands.

 

[Parmandur]

Elanda was in book one, the Caemlyn scenes. Though as Elayne isn’t cast in series one, I think this will be 20% of book one that gets pushed back to series two - which makes a lot of sense as it’s a whole slew of characters who are only in it for one chapter then we don’t see again for ages.

apparently series one will be 80% of book one, some of book two and then a couple of bits from book 3.

Yeah, there's some creative restructuring going on...but it seems very smart and well thought out from a position of understanding, so I'm on board.

 

[Parmandur]

Basil Gil is, though, and I thought that the castle encounter happened at the same time. Hmm.

Some creative shuffling occurring here.

 

[TheSword]

Yeah, there's some creative restructuring going on...but it seems very smart and well thought out from a position of understanding, so I'm on board.

The fan response in the YouTube [Edit] comments has been overwhelmingly positive, which pleasantly surprised me for such a established series. The lone voices complaining about diversity (in 2021 ) are overwhelmed by a wave of optimism.

[Edit. I meant YouTube… Twitter is the cesspit it usually is!]

 

[Maxperson]

Yeah, there's some creative restructuring going on...but it seems very smart and well thought out from a position of understanding, so I'm on board.

Yeah. If Basil and Loial are present, but Elayne and Elaida are not, something is significantly different. The encounter with Elaida was pretty significant, too.

I'm still going to watch it. A guy I played D&D with for many years helped make this series happen, so even if I didn't want to watch it(and I do), I'd watch it in support.