Wheel of Time Full Trailer is out *No Spoilers Please*

[Rune]

Feel free to show what spoilers I've thrown around casually without warning.

In this thread alone:

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Yeah, you're never going to convince me to not talk about how Boromir dies in Fellowship or Ned Stark dies at the end of A Game of Thrones or any other time Sean Bean is definitely going to die on screen, just because some folks expect others to facilitate their desire to encounter a story every story they ever encounter as if it had never been told before.

Yeah and like, people walking about of the theater to announce to the people waiting to go in that Han gets ganked by Kylo Ren who is Ben Solo, are dumb jerks that deserve to be punched.

Why? Oh hey some of the main cast in Battlestar Gallactica are secretly robots, you guys! I mean come on.

I get that you believe this is no big deal for other people, but you don’t get to decide that on behalf other people! If you insist on doing so anyway, especially in a manner that can’t be preemptively mitigated, you are doing so at the expense of other people’s agency.

And if you still don’t recognize that, I’ll have to ask: how would a complete stranger possibly have a chance to prevent you from spoiling some piece of old media that hasn’t even come up in conversation?

Note that none of the things you spoiled in the excerpts above had come up in this conversation by the time you spoiled them.

 

[Maxperson]

They're both old and well known. Hell, the star wars one is at least a surprise in the film. The Rand thing is...completely obvious. Anyone reading the books knew as soon as the character's relationship to the thing he eventually did the thing to was made clear...in the first book...knew that it was going to happen. It would literally be a gigantic "checkov's gun" writing problem if that didn't happen. This is like getting mad that I say that the good guys win in [given non-gritty fantasy property with a rep for classic good vs evil narrative]. (and also, I didn't spoil anything)

No. I know many gamers and book readers who have not read Wheel of Time. They know about it, but that's it. It isn't nearly as well known as Star Wars.

Okay, show where I have "continued to spoil things" about WoT in this thread.

I didn't say you did. @Gradine pointed out that it was jerkish behavior. I was simply stating that I agreed with him on this.

 

[Maxperson]

Either they're moving him to Tar Valon, or they'll show the palace visit in flashback.

That's a good point.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

No. I know many gamers and book readers who have not read Wheel of Time. They know about it, but that's it. It isn't nearly as well known as Star Wars.

I didn't say you did. @Gradine pointed out that it was jerkish behavior. I was simply stating that I agreed with him on this.

I'm someone who read like 7 of these books, and gave up... even I don't know how this series ends, and I've got to be 98% more familiar with the series than everyone with Amazon Prime.

 

[Parmandur]

I'm someone who read like 7 of these books, and gave up... even I don't know how this series ends, and I've got to be 98% more familiar with the series than everyone with Amazon Prime.

Well, books 12 and 13 sold a combined 12 million copies in North America between 2009-2013 (when the final 14th book came out), which Brandon Sanderson's agent apparently let slip. Certainly it's not on the level of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, but that's a sizeable fanbase that stuck through the whole series (the sales for the first book dwarf that, to be sure, the drop off is also pretty huge).

The audio books are also apparently extremely good, and a bestseller for Audible, so the Wheel of Time fanbase also probably has a hig Venn diagram overlap with people bought into Amazon's ecosystem.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

Well, books 12 and 13 sold a combined 12 million copies in North America between 2009-2013 (when the final 14th book came out), which Brandon Sanderson's agent apparently let slip. Certainly it's not on the level of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, but that's a sizeable fanbase that stuck through the whole series (the sales for the first book dwarf that, to be sure, the drop off is also pretty huge).

The audio books are also apparently extremely good, and a bestseller for Audible, so the Wheel of Time fanbase also probably has a hig Venn diagram overlap with people bought into Amazon's ecosystem.

Amazon Prime has about 200 million subscribes. If the Venn diagram is more than 5%, I'd be pretty surprised.

Not dishing the books, just saying that compared to all viewers of media, the readership is quite small. Compared to other fantasy series it's quite big, but that's neither here nor there.

 

[Parmandur]

Amazon Prime has about 200 million subscribes. If the Venn diagram is more than 5%, I'd be pretty surprised.

Not dishing the books, just saying that compared to all viewers of media, the readership is quite small. Compared to other fantasy series it's quite big, but that's neither here nor there.

No, I get where you are coming from. My apologies of that wasncleae, I meant that a significant percentage of the engaged Wheel of Time fanbase are probably existing Amazon customers, and Prime originals are all about keeping people in their overall ecosystem. My sister is getting Amazon Prime this November just to get the Wheel of Time show.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

In this thread alone:

I get that you believe this is no big deal for other people, but you don’t get to decide that on behalf other people! If you insist on doing so anyway, especially in a manner that can’t be preemptively mitigated, you are doing so at the expense of other people’s agency.

And if you still don’t recognize that, I’ll have to ask: how would a complete stranger possibly have a chance to prevent you from spoiling some piece of old media that hasn’t even come up in conversation?

Note that none of the things you spoiled in the excerpts above had come up in this conversation by the time you spoiled them.

Common knowledge is not spoilers. Full stop. Any expectation to avoid mentioning any of those without warning is 100% out of line.

And again, you’ve provided no support for the truly astonishingly weird claim that this intersects meaningfully with the agency of people participating in public* forum discussions. It does not. No one’s agency is interfered with by even the most egregious spoilers, and the spoiler that started this debate was not especially egregious.

*no, the distinction of technical public status vs “open to the public and public facing” does not change any of this, so please don’t anyone derail the discussion with a nitpick about this website being privately owned?

 

[Rune]

Common knowledge is not spoilers. Full stop. Any expectation to avoid mentioning any of those without warning is 100% out of line.

And again, you’ve provided no support for the truly astonishingly weird claim that this intersects meaningfully with the agency of people participating in public* forum discussions. It does not. No one’s agency is interfered with by even the most egregious spoilers, and the spoiler that started this debate was not especially egregious.

*no, the distinction of technical public status vs “open to the public and public facing” does not change any of this, so please don’t anyone derail the discussion with a nitpick about this website being privately owned?

Alright, let me try a different approach.

Since common knowledge does not equal universal knowledge, and since I can’t unread words of yours that I might unwittingly read, would you kindly, pretty please, use spoiler tags on these boards when you mention things that you would consider to be spoilers if they were not common knowledge as you define it?

This is only a personal request, of course. But, if it matters to you, I would take it as an indication of respect for my autonomy. You don’t have to understand why.

Certainly what I ask is an inconvenience, but it would mean a lot to me. Will you do me this favor?

 

[TheSword]

Common knowledge is not spoilers. Full stop. Any expectation to avoid mentioning any of those without warning is 100% out of line.

And again, you’ve provided no support for the truly astonishingly weird claim that this intersects meaningfully with the agency of people participating in public* forum discussions. It does not. No one’s agency is interfered with by even the most egregious spoilers, and the spoiler that started this debate was not especially egregious.

*no, the distinction of technical public status vs “open to the public and public facing” does not change any of this, so please don’t anyone derail the discussion with a nitpick about this website being privately owned?

If you were in a group about players considering playing a campaign hardback for the first time, would you consider it out of line to ask people who have read the book already to use spoiler tags to discuss things that might spoil the surprises in the book?

Or does your desire to discuss adventures trump the desire of people to play in them without having things spoiled?