Paizo Paizo Freelancers Support Union

Jason Tondro, senior developer for Pathfinder and Starfinder, has indicated that a large swathe of Paizo freelancers have stopped work in support of the recently formed union by Paizo employees. Initially the freelance group had a range of demands, but in light of the new union, they have put forward one single new demand instead: to recognize the union...

Jason Tondro, senior developer for Pathfinder and Starfinder, has indicated that a large swathe of Paizo freelancers have stopped work in support of the recently formed union by Paizo employees.

Initially the freelance group had a range of demands, but in light of the new union, they have put forward one single new demand instead: to recognize the union.

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Today I want to shine a spotlight on UPW’s secret weapon: freelancers. Paizo’s freelancers are our ally in this fight and we’re helping each other. Here’s how:

Paizo’s business model is built on freelancers. Very few of the words in our publications are written in-house by full time employees on the clock. Instead, we outline projects, hire freelancers to execute those outlines, and develop and edit those manuscripts.

This allows a relatively small number of people (about 35, including art directors, editors, designers, developers, and more) to produce, well, everything. Have you seen our publication schedule lately? It’s LONG. And Paizo must publish new books to pay its bills.

Well, about a month ago, about 40 of Paizo’s most reliable, prolific, and skilled freelancers simply stopped working. In official parlance, this is called “concerted action.” In layman’s terms, it’s a strike without a union.

Some of these freelancers were in the middle of projects, with upcoming deadlines. Some of them had completed manuscripts they refused to turn over. Some were people we need to hire, to get scheduled books underway in time to publish. All of that FROZE.

Folks, Paizo can’t operate in that environment. We can’t just assign 10,000 word Org Play scenarios, 35,000 word SF adventures, 50,000 word P2 adventures to new, untested freelancers. And for many projects, it’s too late in the schedule to do that anyway.

Now, this group of freelancers had a specific list of demands. They wanted Paizo to hire a diversity officer, for example, and investigate recent terminations. But yesterday, they updated their demands: they’ll all come back to work if Paizo recognizes United Paizo Workers.

This is an enormous lever, and we at UPW are incredibly grateful to have it. Paizo can’t make its publication schedule without freelancers, and it can’t pay exec salaries without publications. But if they recognize our union, freelancers come back to work TOMORROW.

Sure, yes, contract negotiations will be long and trying for all involved. But Paizo will still get books out the door, it’ll be able to make its commitments and pay its bills and salaries. And during contract negotiation, we, the people who hire freelancers, can pay back.

In contract negotiation, we can fight for better pay rates for freelancers. We can get more time in the schedule, so writers have time to do their job right. We can get playtesting built into these schedules, which not only helps freelancers but creates better books.

Paizo’s freelancers and United Paizo Workers are working hand in hand. And I am so grateful, honored, and humbled to have that partnership.
 

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TheSword

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WELL...

In Europe, where Unions and collective bargaining were continued to be supported rather than the US where they were torn down...

Germany has a great economic system going currently.

People in many areas get 30 days of GUARANTEED vacation

Maternity leave is guaranteed, most places being at least 30 days, many having it up to a year.

Free Medical care.

Hmm...seems unions are working in Europe and politics is helping people out quite a bit.

You don't have these things in the US? Perhaps it's because the US got rid of things that fight for the rights of workers and citizens.

Blaming the corruption that some of the Unions in the US have (and even Europe has that type of corruption in some of them, but that doesn't undo the good that the Unions and collective bargaining do overall) to try to say Unions are bad really don't hold that much water when you see the differences between how workers and citizens are treated in nations with strong unions and collective bargaining in Europe vs. how they are treated in the US.
Ironically the European Unions employment rights protect employees to the point where unions have less and less relevance. Protected employment after 2 years, automatic protection in discrimination cases, minimum pay, holiday, mat cover, parental leave, etc etc mean that unions now are really just negotiating agents for employees and advisors in disciplinary/grievance cases. The days of the mega unions bringing the country to a standstill are a thing of the past really
 

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Morrus

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WELL...

In Europe, where Unions and collective bargaining were continued to be supported rather than the US where they were torn down...

Germany has a great economic system going currently.

People in many areas get 30 days of GUARANTEED vacation

Maternity leave is guaranteed, most places being at least 30 days, many having it up to a year.

Free Medical care.

Hmm...seems unions are working in Europe and politics is helping people out quite a bit.

You don't have these things in the US? Perhaps it's because the US got rid of things that fight for the rights of workers and citizens.

Blaming the corruption that some of the Unions in the US have (and even Europe has that type of corruption in some of them, but that doesn't undo the good that the Unions and collective bargaining do overall) to try to say Unions are bad really don't hold that much water when you see the differences between how workers and citizens are treated in nations with strong unions and collective bargaining in Europe vs. how they are treated in the US.
Folks, when I said in the other thread that we were not going to allow this forum to turn into a general discussion of unions, it applies here too. Keep the topic to the Paizo situation, please, and not general political discussion or essays on unions. There are a lot of general politics posts in this thread. As with the other thread, if we find people doing that, we’ll ask them to leave the thread. Thanks.
 

GreyLord

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Folks, when I said in the other thread that we were not going to allow this forum to turn into a general discussion of unions, it applies here too. Keep the topic to the Paizo situation, please, and not general political discussion or essays on unions. There are a lot of general politics posts in this thread. As with the other thread, if we find people doing that, we’ll ask them to leave the thread. Thanks.

I am sorry and I apologize. I was showing solidarity with the Union of Paizo workers and their formation of a Union and the benefits that hopefully they can attain with it, but I probably did it in the wrong way and I am sorry.
 

Umbran

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If Paizo wanted to substantively dispute these things, they've had long enough. They have not.

You seem to have this rather large assumption that the court of public opinion is the appropriate place for them to dispute charges that may be involved in contract negotiations or legal action in the future.

I'm pretty sure that you are exactly incorrect on that. I would hazard that Paizo's lawyers are saying, "By all that is holy, keep your traps shut!"
 

You seem to have this rather large assumption that the court of public opinion is the appropriate place for them to dispute charges that may be involved in contract negotiations or legal action in the future.

I'm pretty sure that you are exactly incorrect on that. I would hazard that Paizo's lawyers are saying, "By all that is holy, keep your traps shut!"
What he said.

Combined with: "No. Nothing you say will spin this better. Stop trying to make it better. It makes it worse!"
 

I specifically stated in the preceding text that they are shared across Magic and D&D. Paizo’s issues were a failure of senior leadership and management. Magic and Paizo is one company, why do you think cleanliness of offices, lack of policy for dealing with policy and harassment would be different between the same company?

Huh? Magic is part of Wizards. In fact, that's my point: why would the culture be all that different?

A lot of what has been leveled at WOC is based on a Twitter conjecture. “WOC must be racist because they didn’t hire me” and other similar claims. I’m not going to get into every point because we’ve been there already and I’m not saying that there might not be racist people working within WOC. I’m just saying that disputing the decisions about what a banned player could or couldn’t participate in Is not on the same as telling an employee who suffered harassment at work, that it was your own fault and that the customers are there to have a good time.

Uh, you really haven't read into the Magic accusations if you think that's all there was. I mean, this sort of stuff comes up in it as well. Again, there's plenty out there with Wizards, but you don't see the mass employee move because, as the MTG article I linked to, is that Wizards is aggressive in its social media policing.

Feeling that your manager didn’t give you credit for an idea you felt you had created is not the same as having a less favorable contract for people of different genders.

I mean, given that Orion Black felt like they were tokenized and being ignored because of the color of their skin, I think it's exactly the same. And much of what is being talked about with MTG how their minority community is being treated.

Im not saying WOC is perfect. Let’s be honest though, I doubt the writers would go easy on WOC if they had evidence. They properly go to town on Paizo, but the worst they say about WOC is that Orion felt like a token hire and didn’t feel he was given enough work to do. It’s just not on the same level as the very specific accusations leveled at Paizo.

Forgive me, if the weight of your condemnation of WOC boils down to ‘there’s probably really nasty stuff happening at WOC but people are too scared to tell us about it.” That doesn’t really cut the mustard.

No, my condemnation of Wizards comes directly from BIPOC people who have been involved with them who have come out and talked about how badly they are treated within their communities, how little they engage with their BIPOC supporters, and also what they apparently do internally. I've posted my links that justify this opinion, and if you want to minimize them that's fine. But the difference between what's happening there and what's happening at Paizo is minimal.

Agree to disagree? When answering accusations of this nature, a month is nothing. We aren't talking about a casual conversation here: We're talking about defending an incorporated company against charges with significant legal implications. It's a certainty that Paizo is seeking specialized representation and it will take some time before their position is presented, and when it is it might not be made public.
You seem to have this rather large assumption that the court of public opinion is the appropriate place for them to dispute charges that may be involved in contract negotiations or legal action in the future.

I'm pretty sure that you are exactly incorrect on that. I would hazard that Paizo's lawyers are saying, "By all that is holy, keep your traps shut!"

I'm talking the scandals, not the union. And I'll point out that statement released around these things did more to tacitly confirm such things than to say they didn't happen. As it was, Paizo's statement on the scandals last month was weak. It was more indicative of a company that wanted to keep its head down and let things blow over. It's part of why they sparked action with the freelancers in the first place.

But @pauldanieljohnson says, we may never even hear Paizo's side to begin with, so I'm not sure why we should be waiting to seek it for this matter. We might be stuck waiting forever... which would be likely what Paizo wants, anyways.

And I'll double-down on my comment about unions enforcing mediocrity. I've seen it a thousand times. Try it yourself. Join a union and work harder than the other union members around you; try to get ahead by distinguishing yourself and going the extra mile. Watch how long it takes before it's made abundantly clear to you that your efforts aren't welcome and that your CBA forbids management from rewarding you above other workers.

I've been in unionized situations and non-union. I'm not going to pull this off-topic anymore, but suffice to say I was much more comfortable in the unionized one.

If these accusations had merit, why has there been no human rights complaint? If there has, someone can correct me, but I'm not aware of anything. In my experience, legitimate complaints can be addressed effectively through existing legal and legislative channels. Choosing to unionize is a banal recourse that hamstrings the company and ultimately costs the employees much more than it gains them.

You mean like an OSHA complaint? They made that threat many times until it finally got done. You have to remember that the system in America favors employers way more than Canada. Washington is a right-to-work state, where you can be released from your job with few reasons to contest. And to contest, you're going to need to bring a lawsuit, which requires money and time, neither of which you are likely to have.
 
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Umbran

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I'm talking the scandals, not the union.

Given that the scandals are the proximal cause for the unionization effort, they are not clearly separable. Those scandals have possible legal or contract repercussions, so the company is unlikely to address them in the court of public opinion. So, their lack of public response is not meaningful.
 

Given that the scandals are the proximal cause for the unionization effort, they are not clearly separable. Those scandals have possible legal or contract repercussions, so the company is unlikely to address them in the court of public opinion. So, their lack of public response is not meaningful.

I mean, they did put out a response. It's that their response was bad. Many of the individual responses basically gave tacit admission that some of this stuff was going on. I understand the technical reasons for playing closer to the vest, but at the same time I'm not particularly moved by the "We've only heard one side of the story" argument that this started with.
 

TheSword

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Huh? Magic is part of Wizards. In fact, that's my point: why would the culture be all that different?
I’ve edited the post it should have said that D&D and Magic are the same company. Hence me asking why the split of those 940+ employees matter. The company is big and is backed up by the full weight of Hasbro’s HR and PR expectations. I just can’t see the same fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants management decisions washing at WOC.
Uh, you really haven't read into the Magic accusations if you think that's all there was. I mean, this sort of stuff comes up in it as well. Again, there's plenty out there with Wizards, but you don't see the mass employee move because, as the MTG article I linked to, is that Wizards is aggressive in its social media policing.

I mean, given that Orion Black felt like they were tokenized and being ignored because of the color of their skin, I think it's exactly the same. And much of what is being talked about with MTG how their minority community is being treated.

No, my condemnation of Wizards comes directly from BIPOC people who have been involved with them who have come out and talked about how badly they are treated within their communities, how little they engage with their BIPOC supporters, and also what they apparently do internally. I've posted my links that justify this opinion, and if you want to minimize them that's fine. But the difference between what's happening there and what's happening at Paizo is minimal.

Surely you don’t equate Paizo senior management’s baffling decisions and approach to how employees are treated with how third party volunteers in MTG behave? Any company will have bad actors. What appears to be the case is through negligence, lack of accountability, lack of perspective or lack of management experience those people are in charge.

The first Magic thread you linked is seriously lacking in detail and mainly contains supposition. I don’t think a social media policy is the reason. Almost every major company I know has a social media policy that prevents bringing the company into disrepute. Paizo almost certainly has one too. You can cut and paste it off the internet.

I’m also not saying WOC doesn’t have problems. Just that they seem to be societal problems coming from trying to change a company that was overwhelmingly male, middle-aged, and white into a more diverse company. That isn’t going to happen overnight, neither are they going to get it right every time.
 

dave2008

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So yeah..."I only worked 60 hours this week and only pay $900/month for Health Insurance!"...to me sounds like "My master only ripped out 2 finger nails this week, AND I got to eat the dogs leftovers! No starving for me this week! Yay!" ;)
Just want to point out that this not a universal thing in the USA. But of course that is part of the problem!
 

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