Level Up (A5E) Press the Attack/Fall Back update

[Morrus]

As promised here is the actual text we're using:

Press the Attack
Before you take the Attack action, you can use a bonus action to designate one creature within your reach which is not currently the target of a Press the Attack action. Until the beginning of your next turn, your melee attacks against that creature gain an expertise die, and all attacks against you are made with advantage. You cannot gain expertise dice in this way on attacks made at disadvantage.

When you Press the Attack, your target can use its reaction to Fall Back.

Fall Back
Whenever a creature takes the Press the Attack action against you, you can use your reaction to yield ground. You move backwards 5 feet, and your attacker does not gain an expertise die against you from using Press the Attack. As part of its action, your attacker can move 5 feet towards you.

Neither you nor the attacker provoke opportunity attacks from this movement.

A creature using the Rage class feature cannot choose to Fall Back.

 

[Stalker0]

Seems to fix most of the issues with pretty simple and clean text. The only "technical" issue I still see.

Bonus Action cannot be combined with regular actions per the normal rules. So technically this bonus action would take place after the attack action finishes.....meaning it would be useless.

The simple fix is to just make Press the Attack a bonus action, with no "when you take the attack action" clause.

 

[niklinna]

Spotted a typo—add "and":

You move backwards 5 feet, and your attacker does not gain an expertise die against you from using Press the Attack.

I can report this using the form too, but I wouldn't know what to put for page number.

 

[Stalker0]

Spotted a typo—add "and":


I can report this using the form too, but I wouldn't know what to put for page number.

hehe or if you want to get fancy, a semi-colon!

 

[Morrus]

Spotted a typo—add "and":


I can report this using the form too, but I wouldn't know what to put for page number.

Don't worry that's just me typing on the forum.

 

[Satirical Bard]

Wow, so that’s quite different!

• Expertise die not advantage
• No pile-ons
• Fall back does not make all your own attacks with disadvantage
• Neither movement provokes attacks of opportunity (this being unclear in the earlier draft)

 

[lichmaster]

Seems to fix most of the issues with pretty simple and clean text. The only "technical" issue I still see.

Bonus Action cannot be combined with regular actions per the normal rules. So technically this bonus action would take place after the attack action finishes.....meaning it would be useless.

The simple fix is to just make Press the Attack a bonus action, with no "when you take the attack action" clause.

Why can't you simply take the bonus action for PtA before your attack?

 

[Stalker0]

Why can't you simply take the bonus action for PtA before your attack?

Because it says "When you take the attack action", that implies it follows after.

If the text had instead said "if you take the attack action, do blah".... then the bonus action could happen before.

 

[BookTenTiger]

Seems to fix most of the issues with pretty simple and clean text. The only "technical" issue I still see.

Bonus Action cannot be combined with regular actions per the normal rules. So technically this bonus action would take place after the attack action finishes.....meaning it would be useless.

The simple fix is to just make Press the Attack a bonus action, with no "when you take the attack action" clause.

To me it reads similar to two weapon fighting:

When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you're holding in one hand, you can use a bonus action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you're holding in the other hand.

When you take the Attack Action, you can use a bonus action to ___.

Do you read it differently?

 

[Stalker0]

To me it reads similar to two weapon fighting:



When you take the Attack Action, you can use a bonus action to ___.

Do you read it differently?

No in that case the bonus action works as intended. Here's the difference:

TWF
I do an attack action, and get an attack. I now spend a bonus action and get another attack. Perfect, everything's working great.

PTA
I do an attack action, and get an attack. I now spend a bonus action, and get a bonus on attacks until the beginning of my next turn. Except....I don't have any attacks left to use the bonus on.