Your Pizza Order

[embee]

@Snarf Zagyg , I agree completely: words do have meaning. The dictionary describes a pizza as a type of pie, and vice versa, so I'm confident I'm using the words properly. Besides. You can't tell me you've never heard a pizza referred to as a "pie" before.

In fact, in the NYC metro area, when getting pizzas, it's common to ask "how many pies should we get?"

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

I usually make my own, crust and sauce, although I leave the cheese to the cheesemakers.

 

[embee]

Well now you're just arguing with the dictionary.

Get this. You speak of madness? You want to talk about unholy pie abominations? Buckle up, because I know people who...heck, I'm related to...people who put cheddar cheese on their apple pie. Deliberately, and with malice aforethought. It's the same sweet-savory overlap that you have described, but in reverse: they are putting savory ingredients in bone-fide desserts, on purpose.


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oh, the humanity...

You all have inspired me to have pizza for lunch. And I'm going to try as hard as I can, within the confines of my local pizzaria's toppings menu, to order a pizza from the Shame Basement. I'll post the results here.

That's actually friggin' delicious.

Few things in life compare to a slice of fresh apple pie topped with a slice of melted sharp cheddar cheese, with a cup of hot black coffee.

 

[embee]

1. People like what they like. You can’t force someone to like something. You can expose them to a piece of work, but if they don’t like it, that’s the way it is. You can’t talk them out of it. This is the Hawaiian Pizza Principle.

2. A machine gun is not a robot.

3. A hotdog is not a sandwich.

4. Those who put in the work, get to choose first. That is to say, if you’re driving the car, you have priority when it comes to programming what music or words you listen to.

5. Bad planning on your part, does not constitute an emergency on my part.

6. There are no demons lurking in wind produced by box fans or air conditioners.

7. If you are within 250 miles of a German waterpark that is housed in a former zeppelin factory, go to it. Do not not go to it.

8. You should pay for content. And if possible, pay for it in the way that the thing that you are paying for makes money and is asking you to pay for it.

9. Be mindful of the work you leave for others.

10. Tip everyone because they are all humans. None of them is garbage.

11. And you are not garbage, so do not eat out of the garbage, or put that garbage on your pizza. In New Zealand or any nation.

12. Respect the work that you’ve done, and believe that your content is worth paying for.

13. I mentioned that a hotdog is not a sandwich, I’ll put it here again.

14. Do not try to weasel out of common sense agreements using pedantry such as, “this party is on private property, so I can wear my fleecy crocs.” Or to say, perhaps “A hot dog is a sandwich because it is listed on the sandwich part of this one menu that I am sending to you on Instagram right now.”

15. Do not seek out disputes in life; you’ll have plenty of them. Don’t look for fights. Don’t especially look for fights to try to get a thread over 2000 comments. And especially especially don’t look for fights and disputes in your life because you are obsessed with always being right. Because the truth is, you are mostly wrong. We all are wrong, and especially you, Ryujin, right now.

A hot dog is a sandwich.

A sandwich is food bounded on at least one side by bread or a bread analog.

The "hinged bread" argument fails because, if I take a sausage, place it in a long roll, and top it with a tomato based sauce and onions, I have a sandwich.

This may be either an Italian sausage sandwich, commonly served at street fairs throughout the Northeast (Italian sausage on a sliced hoagie roll, topped with tomato sauce and onions) or it is a hot dog (a frankfurter on a sliced hot dog roll, topped with sauce and onions).

Two separate pieces of bread are not required. See open-faced sandwich; gyro sandwich, sandwich wraps.

Actual bread is not necessary. See ice-cream sandwich.

Leavened bread is not necessary. See sandwich wraps, Hillel sandwiches.

Indeed, tacos and burritos are sandwiches, as are hamburgers, pierogi, gyoza, and even pizza (an open-faced sandwich).

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Indeed, tacos and burritos are sandwiches, as are hamburgers, pierogi, gyoza, and even pizza (an open-faced sandwich).

Counterpoint- No.

What ever you can stupid, I can stupider. And with MATH.

 

[Ralif Redhammer]

If a hotdog is not a sandwich, what is it? Not saying I entirely agree or disagree that it is a sandwich, but if not that, what? Is it a sub/hoagie or it's own thing, sui generis?

3. A hotdog is not a sandwich.

I never had apple pie with cheese prior to meeting my wife, who introduced me to it. I was skeptical, but it actually is really tasty.

That's actually friggin' delicious.

Few things in life compare to a slice of fresh apple pie topped with a slice of melted sharp cheddar cheese, with a cup of hot black coffee.

Getting back to pizza, there's a local pizza joint that does nothing but sourdough crust pizzas, and it is so darn good. And for some of us that are sensitive to gluten, sourdough is not as bothersome due to the enzymes.

 

[CleverNickName]

And you are not garbage, so do not eat out of the garbage, or put that garbage on your pizza. In New Zealand or any nation.

Order a good pizza. Just because something exists, doesn't mean you have to fish it out of the garbage and throw it on your pizza. No matter what those Kiwis tell you.

I did both: I ordered a pizza with toppings that nobody has (yet) voted for, and it's not garbage.

Pepperoncini, green onion, and apple makes a pretty good pizza, folks. It doesn't change my vote, though.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

If a hotdog is not a sandwich, what is it? Not saying I entirely agree that it is a sandwich, but if not that, what? Is it a sub/hoagie or it's own thing, sui generis?

To get (semi) serious for a second, this is the issue people can get into when discussing family-resemblance concepts, and using rigid definitional ideas ... because natural language does not have the formal rigidity of a symbolic logical system, let alone math.

It is for these reasons, claims such as "A hot dog is a sandwich" that we end up getting court being forced to make statements like, "“In this case we are called on to determine whether a cow is an uninsured motor vehicle under appellants’ insurance policy. We hold that it is not.” Why? Because for every pedant, there is a pedanter.

But to answer your question, I find that sandwiches to not be some overarching item that encompasses all foodtuffs, from deserts (ice cream sandwiches) to wraps, to burritos, to tacos, to lobster rolls, to open faced sandwiches, to massive cheeseburgers, to nachos, to sushi, and so on.

A sandwich is, to me, two slices of bread and a filling in between them (that is not bread). Moreover, if you are prone to use a term that is other than a sandwich in referring to the item (such as taco, burrito, or even burger) then it is not a sandwich.

If you chop up your hot dog, and eat it between two slices of bread, then you have a sandwich. If not, you don't. And do you know how you tell? Very simple-

You are at the ballbark. You want to order a Fenway Frank. Or a Dodger Dog. Do you say, "Hey, Ima get me a hot dog. Anyone else want one?" Or do you ask who else wants ... a SANDWICH?

Yeah, I thought so. Usage, as always, is the #winner.


EDIT- the test should always be this- if you ask somebody, "Hey, do you want a sandwich?" when asking about the item ... if they are confused, then it's not a sandwich.

 

[payn]

The "hinged bread" argument fails because, if I take a sausage, place it in a long roll, and top it with a tomato based sauce and onions, I have a sandwich.

I thought that was a hot dago?

 

[CleverNickName]

Is a cucumber a fruit?
Yes, absolutely. It meets all of the requirements for that classification.
Unfortunately, it doesn't meet a lot of other, unofficial qualifications that were invented by popular opinion...so you'll get confused looks whenever you refer to a cucumber as a fruit, and nobody ever thinks of "cucumber" when asked to name a fruit.

Is a hot dog a sandwich?
See above.

Is a pizza a pie?
See above.