D&D 5E Bard & Arcane Initiate Feat

[UngainlyTitan]

The way i look at it is: a feat is a major resource to spend for something and later feats similar to Mage Initiate, like Fey Touched or Artificer Initiate they both allow the spells to be cast using available slots.
I think that this is reasonable and reduces fiddly book keeping at the table.

 

[Kobold Stew]

The wording of the Artificer, Fey touched, and Shadow touched feats (TCOE), where it is explicit that the spell learned through the feat may also be cast with any spell slots one has, demonstrates that Magic Initiate does not offer the same benefit.

Given that, I'd rule the Bard can't cast a spell learned through the feat with spell slots.

(and yes, this might be revised, but until it is, this seems the intent of the feat)

 

[Vince_Snetterton]

That’s stupid though.

It is not "stupid". It is the rules as written. Until it is altered in some way via errata, if you want to change it, that change must be a house rule.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

That’s stupid though.

Indeed, hence the modern Artificer Initiate allowing the known spell to be cast with any slot. I would apply that to any of the initiate feats - WotC are holding fire on officially changing the old feats until 2024.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

It is not "stupid". It is the rules as written.

Same thing.

 

[Vince_Snetterton]

Same thing.

Much like an Artificer in a low magic setting is "stupid". You don't like RAW? Any DM is allowed to change a rule at their table to something else. The Grappling, Jumping, and Falling rules at my table are far more realistic because the RAW is "stupid". But I don't call my table rules RAW. RAW is immutable.

 

[Horwath]

Indeed, hence the modern Artificer Initiate allowing the known spell to be cast with any slot. I would apply that to any of the initiate feats - WotC are holding fire on officially changing the old feats until 2024.

this!

Artificer initiate, Fey touched, Shadow touched, Telepathic all follow this rule.
They should just say; We were wrong in 2014 and be done with it.

 

[ECMO3]

Hi everybody: let's say a Bard, variant human, takes at first level the Arcane Initiate Feat, from the PHB. She selects the Cantrips Fire Bolt and Ray of Frost and the 1st level Thunderwave from the Sorcerer list. My doubt is: since it is also on the Bard Spell List, can she cast the Thunderwave spell as if it were a bard spell, using Bard Spell Slots and casting it at higher levels, if she wants? I would say no, because she has selected it from the Sorcerer Spell List: she would have to select it again from the Bard Spell List if she wanted to cast it using her Bard Spell Slots, but I want to be sure of this.
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The issue with magic initiate is you do not 'know" the spell and therefore can not use slots to cast it.