D&D 5E (2024) The Great Wizard Extinction.

[UngeheuerLich]

Have a look at sone other monsters.

5E about 4 times the hp generally, double 3.5.

A 10 level BG3 Evoker with all the items proportionally deals about the same as a 10th level 2E.

Comparison is close level 1, 3+2E. Kobolds and Gobibs are about the only typical low level stuff 5E might win on.

Avg 2E hp cs 5th
Orc 5 vs 15
Ogre avg 18 vs 52
Gnoll 9 vs 22

That looks like orc has 3 times as many hp in 5e than 2e...
Ogre has about 3 times as much hp than a 2e ogre.
Gnoll too.

5e MM deal 3 times as much damage as 2e one. Checks out.

So depends on level. 3+ its 2E

Please tell me something I do not know.

, 1&2 almost a wash 5E might win slightly.

Yes.

A lvl 1 MM 2E was crap though.

A level 1 wizard was totally crap except for the one sleep spell.
2 times if you were a specialist.

In 5e you can at least cast the magic missile spell 3 times a day and you have cantrips.

5E one did well once in current campaign. Vs Stirges on DoSI. Then got dumped.

So pretty much worse at all levels right down the line debatable at 1&2. Marginally better than bad is best case scenario.

You make a big mistake comparing spells this way:
You can only really compare spells at the exact level where you gain it and one lev thereafter maybe.

5e spell system is fundamently different than 2e or 3e, because spells don't scale with caster level. And even if upcast, the damage gain is usually not keeping up with spells that are naturally higher level.

So comparing magic missile at level 3+ is fundamently flawed. Of course, a spell that naturally deals 2d4+2 damage will comparatively outdamage a spell that is comparable to a 1d4+1 spell.

And everyone can see that if you upcast it by even adding 1d4+1 to 3d4+3 is not the same than adding 1d4+1 to 1d4+1

(that is 100% increase for free vs 33.3% increase for an extra investment).

So I am really confused about what you try to prove here with calculations that everyone can do in their head.
To disaprove something noone even slightly hinted at?

For your convenience: I said, 3d4+3 automatic damage is a serious threat to a level 1 PC. Not more, not less.
And before that, ECMO sad that magic missile, due to his totally unrealistic assumption of Monsters having AC22 to prove how well bless performs said, that magic missile in this situation is nearly as good as a bless spell.

 

[Zardnaar]

That looks like orc has 3 times as many hp in 5e than 2e...
Ogre has about 3 times as much hp than a 2e ogre.
Gnoll too.

5e MM deal 3 times as much damage as 2e one. Checks out.

Please tell me something I do not know.

Yes.

A level 1 wizard was totally crap except for the one sleep spell.
2 times if you were a specialist.

In 5e you can at least cast the magic missile spell 3 times a day and you have cantrips.


You make a big mistake comparing spells this way:
You can only really compare spells at the exact level where you gain it and one lev thereafter maybe.

5e spell system is fundamently different than 2e or 3e, because spells don't scale with caster level. And even if upcast, the damage gain is usually not keeping up with spells that are naturally higher level.

So comparing magic missile at level 3+ is fundamently flawed. Of course, a spell that naturally deals 2d4+2 damage will comparatively outdamage a spell that is comparable to a 1d4+1 spell.

And everyone can see that if you upcast it by even adding 1d4+1 to 3d4+3 is not the same than adding 1d4+1 to 1d4+1

(that is 100% increase for free vs 33.3% increase for an extra investment).

So I am really confused about what you try to prove here with calculations that everyone can do in their head.
To disaprove something noone even slightly hinted at?

For your convenience: I said, 3d4+3 automatic damage is a serious threat to a level 1 PC. Not more, not less.
And before that, ECMO sad that magic missile, due to his totally unrealistic assumption of Monsters having AC22 to prove how well bless performs said, that magic missile in this situation is nearly as good as a bless spell.

Well theresa bot mire going on. 5E attacks do a lot more damage as well. Even in 2E level 1 or 2 wont last long. In 5E thats two or 3 sessions. Basically you suck at blasting comparatively from here on out. And MM is kinda vad in 5E as well. Unless the campaign theme is stirges.

But thats also part of the problem. If it is a problem. Some people loje it after all hell probably a majority. High damage high hp high hp Regain. Directly contributes to 5E playstyle.

4E is 2/3 with low damage comparatively.

So yeah 3.5 may actually get that balance right its basically in the middle of to extremes.

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