D&D 5E Recent Errata clarifications

[Scribe]

Not the same thing. You can add those things with less than a snap of your finger as a DM. If you want to make Oathbreaker Paladins all have to be Evil, Devotion Paladins all have to be Lawful Good, Orcs all to be evil, etc, you are free to do that with your DM hat on. It takes more work and justification as a DM to remove that than add on minor restrictions like "no, your Lawful Good Devotion Paladin cannot burn down the Oprhanage and still call themselves good". Having to go through all of the books and remove every instance of alignment-restrictions (which would probably heavily influence class spell lists and racial abilities) to make it what I wanted is more work than just saying "no, Orcs have to be evil in this world".

I'm not saying that it's wrong to like alignment, I'm saying that if that was added to the game in the way you want it, it would almost definitely make me leave the game.

No different than me saying the removal of the things Wizards is removing and the (imo) intent behind those changes is wrong, and you claiming I'm judging what you like yesterday.

No different at all.

 

[Bolares]

This may come as a surprise, but I actually agree with you on that. At least, if it’s going to exist at all. If alignment has no mechanical consequences, it’s just a pointless descriptive tag that causes arguments on the interest and nothing else. Get rid of it, it’s not doing anything useful. Or, make it do something useful. I’d be fine with either solution, but 5e’s current approach of trying to have alignment exist but not matter in any way is the worst of both worlds.

It’s definitely not the worst of both worlds. The more alignment there is the worst it gets! If you like it you are playing wrong! /s

 

[Charlaquin]

Probably fair. In the last 6 or so months I've quickly pivotted away from 5e's approach to pretty much everything, maybe it was LevelUp that had me thinking about things differently, maybe it was looking again at PF1 and remembering how things could (should?) be, I dont know.

Ultimately, 5e is not demonstrating the type of depth (it may have its own depth!) that I'm wanting, at all at this point, and the removal of Alignment is the removal of just one more piece of that.

5e definitely does suffer from a lack of depth, yeah (at least in some ways; as you say, maybe it has its own sort of depth, just not the sort I wish it had). That’s the cost of mass appeal though, right?

 

[Scribe]

It’s definitely not the worst of both worlds. The more alignment there is the worst it gets! If you like it you are playing wrong! /s

5e definitely does suffer from a lack of depth, yeah (at least in some ways; as you say, maybe it has its own sort of depth, just not the sort I wish it had). That’s the cost of mass appeal though, right?

Exactly, 100%. It just is what it is, and I get it.

 

[Bolares]

until we both keel over from our advancing age.

Sooo, next week then? Sorry, I couldn’t resist

 

[Crimson Longinus]

It’s definitely not the worst of both worlds. The more alignment there is the worst it gets! If you like it you are playing wrong! /s

No /s needed. It's the truth. The best thing about alignment in 5e is that it is a pointless relic that can easily be ignored.

 

[Bolares]

No /s needed. It's the truth. The best thing about alignment in 5e is that it is a pointless relic that can easily be ignored.

Nah, I don’t like telling people their fun is wrong. Even if their fun makes me die inside a little

 

[Scribe]

Sooo, next week then? Sorry, I couldn’t resist

Not quite! I've probably lost a good few years due to covid preventing me from being in the shape I was pre-covid locks, but...I've got a few miles to go before I rest.

 

[ersatzphil]

I barely tolerate Alignment as it is, and absolutely hate the nonsensical and redundant Great Wheel Cosmology.

Without wading into the topic of alignment too deeply, what do you find nonsensical and redundant about the Great Wheel Cosmology? Honest question, as someone who quite likes it.

 

[Bolares]

Not quite! I've probably lost a good few years due to covid preventing me from being in the shape I was pre-covid locks, but...I've got a few miles to go before I rest.

Oooh, keel over means die? I thought it meant something like getting a hump (is hump the word?) or something like that.