D&D General I really LOVE Stomping Goblins

[Filthy Lucre]

Why would I do this? I hardly think the addition of privacy and the reduction of moderation is going to improve this discourse.

Ok, then just send me some of your work on the subject here then. I mean if you're also formally trained in this topic then we could definitely come to some understanding...

...but, your posturing is HILARIOUSLY obvious given your high-school/layperson grasp on this topic. You don't even have the philosophical vocabulary to cache out your confidence.

 

[Filthy Lucre]

What's the internet equivalent of "take it outside you two"? Asking for a friend.

He wouldn't even if it was an option. Whenever people run their mouth when they're out of their depth they never want to ACTUALLY engage because it would out them as not knowing what they're talking about.

 

[Maxperson]

Look, we're trying to contrive a scenario that allows one ot slaughter an entire species on sight not only guilt free but feeling good about it. There can't be civillians. There can't be castes or classes or artisans or cooks. Only soldier drones with sword-ready organs and cartoon motivations we disagree with.

Yes there can. Read Elric someday. There are Melnibonean cooks, artisans, classes and civilians, and they are all evil. An all evil society not only can have those things, the vast majority of them probably do.

 

[Cadence]

A lot get's glances over due to generally unrealistic "hollywood durability". Take this scene

Yeah, he doesn't "kill" anybody, because he's not biting the head off of the last one. Sure, none of those poor humans that were thrown 10+ meters in the air and against stone walls and hit with force strong enough to shatter this walls were killed. They're all just sleeping, they'll wake soon with just a few bruises

In the 616, it feels like all of the heroes must have regeneration, invulnerability, super-luck or spidey-sense to stay alive. It feels like everyone in the 616 must have a really high constitution and immunity to PTSD.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Yes there can. Read Elric someday. There are cooks, artisans, classes and civilians, and they are all evil. An all evil society not only can have those things, the vast majority of them probably do.

Isn't Elric about chaos?

Also, I wasn't saying you can't have a villainous society, just that the purpose of the example was to just have killable blobs without purpose besides being killed.

 

[Maxperson]

Except we failed at step 1.

You can't be a sapient being with the ability to make choices and also be 'inherently' anything. That's not how any of those words work.

Then you are not sapient. None of us are. Huge chunks of who we all are as people are determined by our individual genetics.

 

[Cadence]

Isn't Elric about chaos?

Also, I wasn't saying you can't have a villainous society, just that the purpose of the example was to just have killable blobs without purpose besides being killed.

Much like in B/X, was there a big difference between evil and chaos for the most part in the Elric books?

 

[Vaalingrade]

In the 616, it feels like all of the heroes must have regeneration, invulnerability, super-luck or spidey-sense to stay alive. It feels like everyone in the 616 must have a really high constitution and immunity to PTSD.

My headcanon is that minor X-man Elixir is on every team like Wolverine.

Kid can regrow a person's heart in time to save them.

 

[Maxperson]

No. That is a completely artificial constraint you are just asserting. It has neither scientific nor philosophical backing.

There is a pretty good chance neither you nor I actually have free will. If the universe is deterministic, then you are as inherently whatever you are as the goblin is inherently evil. Even if the universe is not deterministic, your choices are driven by a huge number of biological and subconscious properties that undermine your "sapience." Ever been hangry? Congratulations, you don't have free will

It doesn't even take a deterministic universe. Psychologists and science disagrees on how much of us is determined by our genetics, but it's pretty accepted that sizable chunks of our personalities and choices are decided by our genes.

 

[Filthy Lucre]

No. That is a completely artificial constraint you are just asserting. It has neither scientific nor philosophical backing.

There is a pretty good chance neither you nor I actually have free will. If the universe is deterministic, then you are as inherently whatever you are as the goblin is inherently evil. Even if the universe is not deterministic, your choices are driven by a huge number of biological and subconscious properties that undermine your "sapience." Ever been hangry? Congratulations, you don't have free will

While I think you're too sanguine in your pessimistic assessment of free will you are at least correct in pointing out the absurdity of saying that it requires we have total control over everything we appear to do in every situation.