D&D (2024) New Classes for 5e. Is anything missing?

[Minigiant]

what is the monk the warrior for?

The wise old mystic on the top of a mountain?

The shaman channeling life and spirit magic?

 

[Mind of tempest]

The wise old mystic on the top of a mountain?

The shaman channeling life and spirit magic?

yeah what would those be called?

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I don't really think that "fighty version" and "casty version" of the same concept is a good way to conceptualise classes, but if some sort of psion really needs to exist as a full class, then I would make it as a meditation-based mental power using mystic that would be the caster counterpart to the monk.

 

[Minigiant]

yeah what would those be called?

I don't really think that "fighty version" and "casty version" of the same concept is a good way to conceptualise classes, but if some sort of psion really needs to exist as a full class, then I would make it as a meditation-based mental power using mystic that would be the caster counterpart to the monk.

Yeah. I could a sublclass of the psion being able to convert or channel ki via psionic energy via meditation.
Less a caster version and more using psi points to power ki abilities. Just not stunning strike thugh.

Sort of how I can see a dragon-blooded warrior spending sorcery points to get dragon scales, grow wings, and ignite his sword to battle a white dragon face to face for the opposite direction.

 

[Mind of tempest]

Yeah. I could a sublclass of the psion being able to convert or channel ki via psionic energy via meditation.
Less a caster version and more using psi points to power ki abilities. Just not stunning strike thugh.

Sort of how I can see a dragon-blooded warrior spending sorcery points to get dragon scales, grow wings, and ignite his sword to battle a white dragon face to face for the opposite direction.

sorcery just needs to be taken back to the drawing board as it needs more of a hook.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Here's a Question

D&D carves out the explanation for a lot of spellcasters. Are the warrior versions of the other casters missing?

Caster	Warrior
Bard	Bard	The Bard is the warrior version of itself
Cleric	Paladin	The Paladin and Cleric both use divine magic
Druid	Ranger	Although not one to one, the Ranger uses nature magic and a lite magic from unknown sources
Sorcerer	????	What happens when a PCs bloodline, racial traits, or origin doesn't manifest as spellcasting?
Warlock	????	Can patrons give PCs something other than magic?
Wizard	Gish

If you great great great grandfather was a dragon, why must his bloodline show up in you as pew pew powers?

I like the idea of a super powered but not Spellcasting warrior class, but it also feels like maybe a set of barbarians that re-conceptualize the Rage mechanic.

Also the bard could use a warrior poet variant that isn’t a caster, or maybe just has ritual casting. Just 3.5 style songs in place of inspiration dice, and enemy debuffs, and the basic warrior package, with medium armor, shields, and most weapons. Give the debuffs a common theme and name, and then make any rebuffed enemy take scaling bonus damage, and you’ve got a solid mythical Irish-style heroic warrior poet.

The wise old mystic on the top of a mountain?

The shaman channeling life and spirit magic?

Yeah the mystic for sure, which is just the psion IMO.

Warlock has the Hexblade, which would probably work better as it’s own class, with various pacts to choose from in the style of 4e, to be different but similar to the warlock.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Man now I wanna build a Hexblade. Maybe I’ll combine that idea with my Dweomerknight “heavy arcane” gish concept to sit alongside the lighter, more mystic, swordmage I’ve been building.

You create a weapon out of magic, power you gained by trading part of your soul and replacing it with whatever you get your power from. I really liked the White Well Hexblade in 4e, and would love to do very specific pacts like that, but it’s definitely more work.

 

[jmartkdr2]

Man now I wanna build a Hexblade. Maybe I’ll combine that idea with my Dweomerknight “heavy arcane” gish concept to sit alongside the lighter, more mystic, swordmage I’ve been building.

You create a weapon out of magic, power you gained by trading part of your soul and replacing it with whatever you get your power from. I really liked the White Well Hexblade in 4e, and would love to do very specific pacts like that, but it’s definitely more work.

Hexblade already feels like it's own class, it just needs a bit of tweaking to really work.

The real quetion is do you port over the Patron concept wholesale or change the sublcass concepts to something a bit broader?

 

[Aldarc]

Hexblade already feels like it's own class, it just needs a bit of tweaking to really work.

The real quetion is do you port over the Patron concept wholesale or change the sublcass concepts to something a bit broader?

Most people I know re-fluff the origin of the Hexblade's weapon to whichever other Patron they prefer anyway. The Hexblade is really what the the Boon of the Blade should be.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Hexblade already feels like it's own class, it just needs a bit of tweaking to really work.

The real quetion is do you port over the Patron concept wholesale or change the sublcass concepts to something a bit broader?

I'd either go more broad or more specific.

Either it's Pact of The White Well, which gives a specific sword and is a very small order of less than a dozen individuals in the whole multiverse who serve this specific archfey, or it's a broad approach to making war or something. "The archfey" is, I think, a good fit for exactly one class. Trying to spread it to two, without changing the focus of it somehow, would be a bad approach.

I'd go with a general knightly orders vibe. Maybe part of that is that I don't like how much the Paladin has taken over the knighthood space in dnd, but I also think it's just a good hook. So you are a knight of the lady of the white well, or a knight of winter, or a knight of hell. And there are even some gods that would likely have arcane knightly orders dedicated to them, such as Bahamut and Mystra.

And then you've got the Swordmage on the other side of the gish design space, in light or no armor, members of esoteric orders (ie secrets societies and mystery cults with swords), sort of the nerd foil to the Dweomer Knight's himbo energy.

Just needs a one word name. Maybe Arcknight, as someone suggested in my "name a gish" thread.