D&D General Poll: How tough should 20th Level Fighters be? (MCU edition)

[CreamCloud0]

I voted for hulk although 'in the big gap' also would be fair if we're just talking the measure of raw strength here, spiderman is strong but he isn't '20th level fighter strong' he leans more into the rogue stealth area of things IMO than a pure fighter, ability wise i think the fighter could cherry-pick abilities from the lower teirs, widow's hand to hand, hawkeye's skill with a bow (i know he apparently 'never misses' ever, so maybe not quite on hawkeye's level but at least above 'above average' abilities) steve's shield throwing abilities.

Personally i think fighters should get extra ways to wield weapons each inherent to the weapon like Cap's shield throwing, as a way to display greater skill and mastery of their weapons than the other classes, like being able to make a sweep with the greatsword to hit the five squares in front/to the sides of them all for half damage or striking the ground with a warhammer to make a small shockwave to trip foes, just as standard attacks.

And thor is just the fighter fully equiped with magic items.

 

[Minigiant]

By the way, I vote the gap. Which to me is basic Asgardian.

Valkyrie or the Warriors 3.

Without magic items, a 20th level fighter would be superhuman. If not they'd be dead. You can't scrap with demons, Giants, devil's, dragons, fey, and golems and still be "simply peak human". One of those claws woulda killed ya.

At least one of your abilities would be qualified as superhuman. Captain America can't duke it out with a Balor.

 

[Cadence]

Where's the "Thanos" option? Sure he's the BBEG but when he's fighting he's better than any of this lot* one on one and uses less magic/technology to get there. (his wizard-types are his sidekicks, in fact; reversing the sometimes-perceived situation in D&D)

* - except maybe Captain Marvel, but as she and Thanos only briefly fight each other directly it's hard to say. In Endgame he takes everything Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man can throw at him - together! - and is winning rather handily until the cavalry arrives.

Is Thor's fight with Thanos in the second movie going so badly because Thor wasn't back to the mental and physical condition he was in at the end of the first movie... otherwise it doesn't make much sense at all.

I also want to know what Thanos's weapon was made out of...

 

[Cadence]

So no vote from me, superheroes are not great archetypes for high level fighters.

Star Lord was on their as the non-super option ;-)


I was thinking of using TV/book ones as well but it would have taken me forever to pick out more than a handful of levels.

 

[Cadence]

By the way, I vote the gap. Which to me is basic Asgardian.

Valkyrie or the Warriors 3.

I should have thought of them! I got sidetracked on the other GotG and where they fit and just went with the gap.

Without magic items, a 20th level fighter would be superhuman. If not they'd be dead. You can't scrap with demons, Giants, devil's, dragons, fey, and golems and still be "simply peak human". One of those claws woulda killed ya.

If fighters could do everything on their own without buffing or magic items... then do buffing abilities/classes and magic items have a purposes? I mean, I don't want the game to need parties to have check boxes, but it feels like there will generally be a mix.

This is where thinking of Tolkien kinds of ruins it. In Tolkien there were a vareity of elves who would go toe-to-toe with a Balrog. But in Tolkien the elves were just better than the humans.

At least one of your abilities would be qualified as superhuman. Captain America can't duke it out with a Balor.

It feels like all super-heroes in the 616 Marvel Comics Universe must have one of super-luck, danger-sense, partial invulnerability, or regeneration - or they'd long since have been toast. (Assuming we're not giving plot-armor out as a power).

 

[S'mon]

Captain America is more of a Paladin/Warlord multiclass, but his combat powers seem to fit well in 'high level Fighter'; where Hulk is more of a level 20 Barbarian*. Spider-Man seems more of a Monk.

Edit: I voted Cap/Black Panther. Cap has STR/DEX/CON at 20 (human maximum) whereas BP is presumably slightly superhuman at least in DEX.

*With Epic Boons to give him STR 30, like my son's Barb-20 Shieldbiter the Dragonborn. Can't roll below 30 on an Athletics check.

 

[Oofta]

It was a rough scale, I'll admit. As for Star-Lord, I'm not sure what he is post GGII

BW couldn't be a dex build?

Hmm. Maybe. Maybe some kind of rogue/fighter multi-class to get the combination of fighting, stealth and spying?

 

[Cadence]

Edit: I voted Cap/Black Panther. Cap has STR/DEX/CON at 20 (human maximum) whereas BP is presumably slightly superhuman at least in DEX.

Did BP wrangle a charging rhino to the ground too?

 

[aco175]

Am I wrong to assume that the chart's perceived power level goes from weakest (Star Lord) to strongest (Thor)?

I voted Black Widow/ Hawkeye. If a 20th level fighter was fighting a normal bad guy mook he would kick butt all the time and not miss. Against the BBEG he would have a cool power or two but need the other party members to assist. Thor is a god and PCs cannot be gods in my games else they become NPCs.

 

[MaskedGuy]

I'm in camp "level 20 martial should be able to do something as impressive as wizard can do with max level spells"

So something anime as hell at very least.