D&D General Chris just said why I hate wizard/fighter dynamic

[Maxperson]

great you house ruled a 5% gotcha into a spell. 1 spell. (I mean I'm sure you have plenty of other house rules but we are talking about 1)

There is no "gotcha" that I house ruled in. There's no "gotcha" at all. The danger is inherent in an uncontrolled teleport. You have to house rule it out.

now how does "I made up a house rule where 5% of the time the spell puts you in danger"

I made up no house rule. I did make a ruling on how often the danger inherent to the spell happens(and it's actually less than 5%), because the spell is silent on that.

and diffrent then "I ruled that 5% of the time the fighter swings he drops his weapon" (BTW I have walked from more then 1 table for critical fumble rules hitting multi attackers too hard so no calling BS or saying no one would)

There is no "drop weapon" inherent in a swing the way there is inherent danger in an uncontrolled teleport. You cannot control where you end up and dangerous places are on the list of possibilities unless you house rule those out.

 

[Maxperson]

I treat Magnificent Mansion as a narrative device, albeit a vital one, because it is a useful way to interact with a "nature being", such as a rock, tree, or river.

(A rock with a powerful mindful presence can cast the Mansion to invite the party into a "rocky" mansion, where one of the "servants" represents the rock itself.)

That's really cool and I might steal that.

 

[Yaarel]

That's really cool and I might steal that.

Like they say:

"Good artists borrow. Great artists steal."

 

[FrogReaver]

There is no "gotcha" that I house ruled in. There's no "gotcha" at all. The danger is inherent in an uncontrolled teleport. You have to house rule it out.

I made up no house rule. I did make a ruling on how often the danger inherent to the spell happens(and it's actually less than 5%), because the spell is silent on that.

There is no "drop weapon" inherent in a swing the way there is inherent danger in an uncontrolled teleport. You cannot control where you end up and dangerous places are on the list of possibilities unless you house rule those out.

IMO the only difference is what is considered the reasonable list of possibilities and their corresponding chances.

For me 5% is too much for most scenarios but I do think some non-zero chance is appropriate for most every scenario.

 

[Maxperson]

IMO the only difference is what is considered the reasonable list of possibilities and their corresponding chances.

For me 5% is too much for most scenarios but I do think some non-zero chance is appropriate for most every scenario.

It's not actually 5% for me. One of my house rules is a Fate Deck of MtG cards. Those get drawn on a 1. They can be good or bad, depending on the situation. And any given card can be interpreted as good or bad, also depending on the situation, so I can't say that it will be 2.5% chance of being good and 2.5% chance of being bad.

Since it's a Fate draw, it also doesn't necessarily have to do with where you end up. The right card might mean some weird magical confluence caused an item to be left behind, or countless other possible things going right or wrong.

 

[FrogReaver]

It's not actually 5% for me. One of my house rules is a Fate Deck of MtG cards. Those get drawn on a 1. They can be good or bad, depending on the situation. And any given card can be interpreted as good or bad, also depending on the situation, so I can't say that it will be 2.5% chance of being good and 2.5% chance of being bad.

Since it's a Fate draw, it also doesn't necessarily have to do with where you end up. The right card might mean some weird magical confluence caused an item to be left behind, or countless other possible things going right or wrong.

I like the fate card idea. Does seem to be approaching what I’d consider a house rule though. Maybe it is or isn’t. Either way a bit too close for my taste.

 

[Maxperson]

I like the fate card idea. Does seem to be approaching what I’d consider a house rule though. Maybe it is or isn’t. Either way a bit too close for my taste.

Yeah. There's a lot packed into what goes on with a botched teleport.

1. The possibility of something bad happening. This is an inherent part of the spell since there are bad places to end up as well as good one. No ruling or house rule is involved with that.
2. The ruling that a roll of a 1 indicates the possibility of the bad result. This is a ruling and not a house rule, because the game is silent on how to establish whether the inherent risk of something bad happening in teleport actually occurs, so a ruling is necessary.
3. The use of the Fate Deck to help out. This is pure house rule that kicks in with every roll that happens, with the exception of initiative rolls, even if then if it's a very important initiative roll it can happen.

I'd also like to add that the intended teleport spot can also increase or decrease the chances of danger. If the wizard is trying teleport the group back to the king's throne room to warn him of immediate danger to the realm and they botch it, ending up in a similar location is going to place them in front of a different king in that throne room. The unknown king's guards is not going to wait to ask questions of an unknown group of high level individuals who just appeared armed and ready in front of their king. The danger is going to be somewhere close to 100% and immediate. On the other hand, teleporting to a peaceful elven glade you know about and getting a similar location is very unlikely to include that sort of danger.

 

[DND_Reborn]

Good point. That has always annoyed me: why aren't more skills tied to STR?

We added two: Brawn and Grapple.

This separated Grapple from Athletics, because being good at Athletics doesn't really imply you are good at grappling and vice versa.
Brawn is used for raw feats of Strength (bending bars, lifting, breaking down doors) as well as shove attempts, however Grapple can also be used to shove.

 

[DND_Reborn]

I don't know if it would be possible, but I really wish WotC would try to have all stats have 3+ skills

It is. I did it here with some feedback from others:

D&D 5E - Separating Knowledge from Skill (+)

Given the thread about dropping Intelligence, I am exploring the idea of separating knowledge (what your character knows) from skill (what they can do, sort of...). Here is the current breakdown / revamp: Strength Climbing Jumping Swimming Constitution ? ? Running Dexterity Acrobatics...

www.enworld.org

And we currently use this as our skill list:

But the CON skills are still under progress a bit...

 

[Fanaelialae]

We added two: Brawn and Grapple.

This separated Grapple from Athletics, because being good at Athletics doesn't really imply you are good at grappling and vice versa.
Brawn is used for raw feats of Strength (bending bars, lifting, breaking down doors) as well as shove attempts, however Grapple can also be used to shove.

The downside of this is that, unless you add additional proficient skills to the fighter, you dilute the fighter's already not-stupendous impact (since one skill, athletics, previously encompassed what two skills now encompass).