D&D 5E D&D and who it's aimed at

[Maxperson]

To me it's like the term Grognard. I have seen people on this forum not like the term because they think it's degrading. So I don't use it myself.

I guess if folks want to keep using the term Disneyfication, even knowing it makes others feel bad, that's on them.

I agree with that. For the most part I see it(and in the past have used it) pejoratively. I have seen it used in a non-pejorative manner, though. And unlike Grognard, the reasons behind the term Disneyfication are valid, which is why I've explained them in a neutral manner in this thread.

 

[Hexmage-EN]

Book of the Raven - implied child abuse/murder results in portal to the Shadowfell
Deep and Creeping Darkness - evil tortures and murders everyone in the village, and the adventurers are hired by the few broken survivors in the vague hopes of being able to return
Shemshime - a spirit drives everyone mad, causing them to murder everyone around them, and spreads virus like to anyone who hears the song
Price of Beauty - Hags strike Faustian bargains with people, only to betray them and keep them alive to torture them to death.
Book of Cylinders - in one scene, Yuan-ti devour children in front of their parents and laugh about it.
Sarah of Yellowcrest Manor - an entire family plus servants are murdered to power a ritual to bring back some evil from beyond.

I mean, sure, there's no orgy there, but, that's all pretty damn dark. To the point where one of my players complained that the module would be better set in Ravenloft than Candlekeep.

Thanks for this! I'd wanted to use the Ravenloft book for a while and wished there were some more published 5E adventures to go with it. Transporting these adventures to the Domains of Dread is a great idea.

 

[Irlo]

The meaning of Disneyfication, as it was introduced in in the OP of this thread, is specifically altering tone and content to appeal to a juvenile audience. That's the way the word is generally used, in my experience: cartoonish art, cutesy anthropomorphic animal PCs options, low-stakes adventures.

Expanding that to include increased resilience of PCs just confused me.

 

[Maxperson]

The meaning of Disneyfication, as it was introduced in in the OP of this thread, is specifically altering tone and content to appeal to a juvenile audience. That's the way the word is generally used, in my experience: cartoonish art, cutesy anthropomorphic animal PCs options, low-stakes adventures.

Expanding that to include increased resilience of PCs just confused me.

That's not how I typically see it used. I typically see it used in threads(and have for several years) as a reduction in danger, controversy, etc. Sometimes that includes an accusation of doing it in order to appeal to a younger crowd, but it's the former that are the reasons for the term.

 

[jasper]

So, as an example - The Wilds Beyond the Witchlight. I'm going to be running it for my group. Have you read it?

There is nothing in the adventure preventing the PCs from cutting a bloody swath through the Feywild to reach their goals. You can bust into the carnival, squeeze pixies until their heads pop off, spewing glitter as they die. Y....

Chapter 2 main encounter is The Wild Beyond the Witchlight according to the book you would be 2nd level or maybe 3rd. . 4 or 5 3rd level vs CR 7. 2 of her buddies Volo's Guide to Monsters CR 1 with a cr 2 guest Volo's Guide to Monsters
So if they do try to do the murder hobo the odds are not in their favor.
Chapter 1 Mr Witch and Mr Light both Cr 3 dudes. And guard by a cr1 bugbear.
So the odds are generally stacked against the murder hobo types.

 

[Lanefan]

Start a thread asking to bring back save or die effects and see the controversy erupt.

For added fun, throw the return of level drain into the mix.

Make sure the penalty box doors are well oiled first, though; they'll get a lot of use.

 

[Maxperson]

For added fun, throw the return of level drain into the mix.

Make sure the penalty box doors are well oiled first, though; they'll get a lot of use.

Yeah. It's pretty strange to think that those would not be controversial subjects. They aren't alignment, but they're still way up there for controversy.

 

[Lanefan]

And I don't think you can objectively say it has been. That's my whole point. You are acting like your position is objective. It's not.

For the last year or more these forums have seen endless debates arguments over one clear and undeniable example of sanitization: the de-Evil-ing of Orcs and some other species.

Whether one agrees with these changes or not, that they are a form of sanitization is pretty much a fact.

 

[Oofta]

For the last year or more these forums have seen endless debates arguments over one clear and undeniable example of sanitization: the de-Evil-ing of Orcs and some other species.

Whether one agrees with these changes or not, that they are a form of sanitization is pretty much a fact.

Goes back to what you think disneyfication is though. While I disagree with making every species (except for fiends, we'll always have fiends right? Right?) just humans with ever-so-slightly different appearance, I'm not sure that qualifies. It's related, as is the preponderance of cheesecake art style. On the same spectrum, but I think of disneyfication as being more explicitly pre-teen friendly.

On a related note I noticed that in the free PDF over the D&D web page that they're starting to use things like "typically [insert alignment]" like they did with previous editions.

 

[Lanefan]

Goes back to what you think disneyfication is though.

To be picky - maybe even pedantic - I didn't say disneyfication. I said sanitization.

To me 'disneyfication' implies making changes specifically aimed at becoming more kid-friendly while 'sanitization' implies making changes aimed at making it both more kid-friendly and more grandma-friendly at the same time.