D&D 5E What is Quality?

[FrogReaver]

It could be! And I think that's at least partly true...but that's my personal belief. For a discussion, it might be better to take what was said at face value unless there's good evidence to the contrary.

Otherwise things quickly devolve into "WotC are liars!" "Nuh uh! You can't prove it!", and so on, until a mod chimes in and says "knock it off!".

I just cited the evidence.

 

[payn]

I don't care for pickup trucks. That doesn't make them bad quality or poor design, I just don't care for them.

Now you are getting it. Quality isnt determined by opinion. Its something that is measured by degrees.

 

[Ovinomancer]

Unless being able to ignore it is, in fact, a desired feature.

True. Is there evidence that WotC intended BIFTs and Inspiration to be easily ignorable? Well, they spend considerable space on BIFTs, both describing them and in providing rollable table examples for each background. They devoted space in both the PHB and the DMG to Inspiration, and not as optional rules. They also included optional rules for the mechanics.

I think "easily ignorable" from the standpoint of design is counterindicated by the resource space devoted to the system. The effort spent is not what one would usually associate with a mechanic intended to be easily ignorable. I mean, it might have been designed with that intent, but evidence should be provided. Conjecture is easy, and not terribly persuasive.

 

[James Gasik]

I don't think the wine taster metaphor works very well.

Judgment of Paris (wine) - Wikipedia

 

[Umbran]

If I say "I think Volkswagen makes the best compact car in the Golf" and you drive a Corolla hatchback and naturally disagree with me. We both think the other are wrong. That doesn't make it insulting to anybody or anything. It's the nature of literally all human disagreement about anything.

There is a world of difference between the statements, "I disagree," and "You are wrong." The former is a statement of one's own position. The latter is a statement of fact.

If you use the latter, you are asserting your opinion is fact. That's a rhetorical gambit, a power play, not nature.

 

[LadyElect]

But why is your opinion any more valid than the opinion of myself, the dozens of people I've played with, the people that participated in the playtest or the development team?

Very simply: because it’s mine.

If anything, it’s a concern if you aren’t valuing your own opinions the mostly highly. After all, only you can have your reason for them. Those that seem to be in agreement are really just the nearest Venn diagram overlap.

 

[FrogReaver]

There is a world of difference between the statements, "I disagree," and "You are wrong." The former is a statement of one's own position. The latter is a statement of fact.

If you use the latter, you are asserting your opinion is fact. That's a rhetorical gambit, a power play, not nature.

Besides one being a more polite way of sharing your feelings on a topic, I don't agree. Bracing for the 'you are wrong' that's bound to come

 

[Ovinomancer]

I don't care for pickup trucks. That doesn't make them bad quality or poor design, I just don't care for them.

Is this argument intended to claim by inference that people complaining about 5e don't care for it and are just slinging criticisms maliciously?

Like, is this the point? Someone complaining cannot be a fan? I have some sports team fandoms to introduce you to, where complaining about the team IS the way fandom is expressed.

 

[eyeheartawk]

Besides one being a more polite way of sharing your feelings I don't agree. Bracing for the 'you are wrong' that's bound to come

I completely agree. They're both really saying the same thing. But having the opinion that something is good or bad, it's naturally a perceived fact to you. It's a judgement that has been made, after all.

The only real problem is when you take your opinion/judgement of something and require that it be shared by everybody else as universal truth. A public disagreement about aspects of elfgames is decidedly not that.

 

[FrogReaver]

I don't care for pickup trucks. That doesn't make them bad quality or poor design, I just don't care for them.

Is everything you don't care for good quality? Is everything you care for good quality?