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Basic D&D Was Selling 600,000+/Year At One Point

Recently Ben Riggs shared some sales figures of AD&D 1st Edition. Now he has shared figures for Basic D&D from 1979-1995, and during the early 80s is was selling 500-700K copies per year. Ben Riggs' book, Slaying the Dragon, which is a history of TSR-era D&D, comes out soon, and you can pre-order your copy now. https://read.macmillan.com/lp/slaying-the-dragon/ You can compare these...

Recently Ben Riggs shared some sales figures of AD&D 1st Edition. Now he has shared figures for Basic D&D from 1979-1995, and during the early 80s is was selling 500-700K copies per year.

Ben Riggs' book, Slaying the Dragon, which is a history of TSR-era D&D, comes out soon, and you can pre-order your copy now.


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You can compare these figures to those of AD&D 1E in the same period. Basic D&D sold higher than AD&D's PHB and DMG combined for 4 years running, again in the early 80s.

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If you take a look at the overall sales from 1979-1995, here are the two beside each other (again, this is just PHB and DMG, so it doesn't include the Monster Manual, Unearthed Arcana, etc.)

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More actual D&D sales numbers!

Below you will find the sales numbers of Basic D&D, and then two charts comparing those to the sales of AD&D 1st edition. For those who don’t know, early in its life, the tree of D&D was split in half. On the one side there was D&D, an RPG designed to bring beginners into the game. It was simpler, and didn’t try to have rules for everything.
On the other side there was Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, Gary Gygax’s attempt to throw a net around the world and then shove it into rulebooks. The game was so detailed that it provided rules on how Armor Class changed depending on what hand your PC held their shield in. (It may also have been an attempt to cut D&D co-creator Dave Arneson out of royalties…)

I am frankly shocked at how well Basic D&D sold. Having discovered AD&D 2nd edition in the 90s, I thought of “Dungeons & Dragons” as a sort of baby game of mashed peas and steamed potatoes. It was for people not ready for the full meal that was AD&D. (I have since learned how wrong I was to dismiss the beauty of what Holmes, Moldvay, Mentzer, Cook, et al created for us in those wondrous BECMI boxed sets…)

I figured that Basic D&D was just a series of intro products, but over its lifetime, it actually outsold AD&D 1st edition. (Partly because 1st edition was replaced by 2nd edition in 1989. I’ll start rolling out the 2nd ed numbers tomorrow FYI.) These numbers would explain why in a 1980 Dragon article Gygax spoke of AD&D not being “abandoned.”
Still, between 1980 and 1984, Basic outsold AD&D. The strong numbers for Basic D&D prompt a few questions. Where was the strength of the brand? Were these two lines of products in competition with each other? Was one “real” D&D? And why did TSR stop supporting Basic D&D in the 90s?

The only one of those questions I will hazard is the last one. A source told me that because TSR CEO Lorraine Williams did not want to generate royalties for Gary Gygax or Dave Arneson, Basic D&D was left to wither on the vine.

I will also say this: TSR will die in 1997 of a thousand cuts, but the one underlying all of them was a failure of the company to grow its customer base. TSR wanted its D&D players to migrate over to AD&D, but what if they didn’t? What if they wanted to keep playing D&D, and TSR simply stopped making the product they wanted to buy? What if TSR walked away from what may have been hundreds of thousands of customers because of a sort of personal vendetta?

Tomorrow, I’ll post numbers for 2nd edition AD&D, and comparisons for it with Basic and 1st edition.

And if you don’t know, I have a book of D&D history coming out in a couple weeks. If you find me interesting, you can preorder in the first comment below!

Also, I'll post raw sales numbers below for the interested.
 

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Zardnaar

Legend
That seems to be very strong evidence thst the Satanic Panic, contrsry to the usual dismissive depiction by many fans as a "great marketing" bit for D&D, was actually a body shot that TSR never recovered from. (@Snarf Zagyg and @Zardnaar have trotted that out lately, for example). This explains a lot about TSR's strategy shifts after 1984, and BADD getting D&D out of mainstream outlets.

Compare this to now, when WalMart, Target and Amazon carry the products with no problem. If JC Penny, Toys R Us, or Sears were still going concerns today, I'm sure they would, too.

I was referring to 1981.

Even with a 30% drop in 84 they would have been fine if they didn't hire 300+ staff.
 



Zardnaar

Legend
They didn't have a 30% drop, Basic sales fell closer to 70%, and never recovered.

I wasn't refererencing Basic but previous numbers from other sources. It's also from memory in interviews from ex TSR.

And the numbers provided are only phb and equivalent there's no Dragonlance or UA for example in the OP.

There was other big selling items as well back then not just phb.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
I wasn't refererencing Basic but previous numbers from other sources. It's also from memory in interviews from ex TSR.

And the numbers provided are only phb and equivalent there's no Dragonlance or UA for example in the OP.

There was other big selling items as well back then not just phb.
It's both AD&D and Basic. Basic tanked even harder in 1984, when BADD got going and would have gotten D&D out of mainstream stores.

If people aren't buying the core game...then they aren't buying supplements. It's really thst simple. People mostly play for a few years between Middle School and College. The game needs a constant influx of new players to keep going.

Granted, there were other problems like hiring family members and questionable expenditures cough*Cocaine Habits*cough
 

I wasn't refererencing Basic but previous numbers from other sources. It's also from memory in interviews from ex TSR.

And the numbers provided are only phb and equivalent there's no Dragonlance or UA for example in the OP.

There was other big selling items as well back then not just phb.
Right. And how many creature catalogs were sold? How many magic item compendium were sold? We do not have these number either. Though I agree with you that these numbers about UA and such would be fine. A comparison must have some limits...
 

Zardnaar

Legend
It's both AD&D and Basic. Basic tanked even harder in 1984, when BADD got going and would have gotten D&D out of mainstream stores.

If people aren't buying the core game...then they aren't buying supplements. It's really thst simple. People mostly play for a few years between Middle School and College. The game needs a constant influx of new players to keep going.

Granted, there were other problems like hiring family members and questionable expenditures cough*Cocaine Habits*cough

Well 84 Dragonlance is a thing 85 was UA.

They're credited with keeping the lights on.

Supplements don't sell is a myth from later when they didn't sell.

Several adventures sold hundreds of thousands of copies KotBL being the big one but several others sold hundreds of thousands.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Well 84 Dragonlance is a thing 85 was UA.

They're credited with keeping the lights on.

Supplements don't sell is a myth from later when they didn't sell.

Several adventures sold hundreds of thousands of copies KotBL being the big one but several others sold hundreds of thousands.
But they don't make up for the player base contracting: if new people aren't coming in, they don't replace people exiting the hobby really quickly.
 

FitzTheRuke

Legend
Be interesting to see. Afaik it sold 500k- 750k phb over 11 years.

Gary is also on record as saying 1E outsold it 2-1.

I find that hard to believe. My personal experience is definitely skewed, but I just plain really doubt it, based on the relative availability that I've seen of the various books in 30 years of retailing them. It's true that I never sold 1e when it was new (unlike every D&D book from 1993 up). I know that 2e had a glut tactic that 1e wasn't as bad for, that could make the core 1e books have done better overall than 2e, but I'd be surprised if it was by that large a margin.
 

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