TSR settings sales numbers from Ben Riggs, starting with Lankmar, Maztica, Al-Qadim and Planescape!

darjr

I crit!
Red Steel.

Behold the lowest sales for any D&D setting published by TSR, Red Steel! (I would take this moment to point out that one of the motifs of late TSR is that the quality of the product had nothing to do with its sales.)

But yes, those first-year sales are less than 20,000 units. A mere 17,986 copies sold.

Next, we will look at the last of TSR’s minor settings, Birthright!

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Parmandur

Book-Friend
Red Steel.

Behold the lowest sales for any D&D setting published by TSR, Red Steel! (I would take this moment to point out that one of the motifs of late TSR is that the quality of the product had nothing to do with its sales.)

But yes, those first-year sales are less than 20,000 units. A mere 17,986 copies sold.

Next, we will look at the last of TSR’s minor settings, Birthright!

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Did he ever drop any other Mystara stuff.
 



Jer

Legend
Supporter
Red Steel.
Ouch.

Not only are the first year sales less than 20K - with the returns in the following years it actually sold fewer units in its lifetime than it did in the first year - fewer than 17K units. And yet TSR was apparently planning to do a revised Savage Coast setting for some reason that Wizards eventually released the manuscripts for onto the web. So weird.

He's also posted the Birthright numbers on twitter now - it did better than Red Steel, not as good as Planescape.

Did I miss the Karameikos Boxed set?
 

Also, another detail, and that is on quality of the products.

The Forgotten Realms campaign setting is one that I own, the old AD&D one. That book bangs. It is super useful, with a lot of plots and adventure hooks and actual hexes with naughty word in it to do. But, let's look at Dark Sun. Dark Sun is very, very hard to use. The monster books are 10/10 imo, but the setting itself gives you nothing but broad strokes. FR campaign gives you both broad strokes (easy to fill in if you've read lord of the rings) and microstrokes (actual immedietly gamable information like fully developed hexes).

Meanwhile, Dark Sun, Planescape, both of whose box sets I own, just don't give you enough material to use their very alien settings. It takes a lot more effort to engage with these settings and to produce a game than it does the Forgotten Realms. This, to me, makes the FR feel like a higher quality gaming product, and it allows FR as a setting to grow a lot faster as well (especially coupled with the endless amount of novels being pumped out for it).

If Dark Sun and the other niche settings had tried to solve this very difficult-to-solve puzzle of making hyper gameable content to make their niche products more functional, the lifetime sells may look a pretty picture different. This is all hypothetical, and I could be totally wrong, but I do consider this problem of "Usable setting" vs "Alien setting" a part of the narrative in the data.

One last note...I tried to run Planescape two years ago. Extremely difficult to do. I was basically inventing everything, from cultures to environs to settings, because those books really only give you barebones materials.
 


billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him)
That said, still surprised that Spelljammer outsold Planescape. Kind of makes sense though. Fantasy -> Space -> Weird Mysticism probably tracks to how mainstream tastes are in movies, shows, books, comics, etc too.
There's also the environment to consider, not just content. Spelljammer was released in 1989. That was fairly quickly followed by Ravenloft, Mazteca, Dark Sun, Al Qadim, and that's just by TSR. From other companies, you've got Magic and Vampire. By the time Planescape comes up, ALL of those are out before it.
I don't know about the rest of you who remember those days, but there was NO WAY for me to keep up with all of them and the 2e Complete Handbooks as well as pay my rent (shocking, I know).
 

vecna00

Speculation Specialist Wizard
Birthright!

Behold, the sales for the last setting to be published by TSR before it was purchased by Wizards of the Coast, Birthright!

Next, I will publish a comprehensive graph of TSR setting sales covering totals sold from ‘79 to ‘99


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I wonder if that bump in sales came from the video game. I'm not sure exactly when it came out though.
 


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