Spelljammer Dark Sun confirmed? Or, the mysterious case of the dissappearing Spelljammer article...

[overgeeked]

Whelp, now Magic D&D books are among the best selling D&D products in history, and D&D Magic cards are some of the best selling cards in hiatory...thst genie will never, ever go back into the bottle.

And? "It sells" is not the comment on quality that so many people seem to assume. "It sells" just means it sells. It doesn't mean it's good. Nor does it mean that I like it or want it. Yes, the genie is out and it's never going back. So what? Doesn't change my opinion. I'm already 90% done with WotC's watered-down version of D&D. I don't need more reminders that I'm not the target audience any longer. Yeah, yeah. "Old man yells at clouds." Well, it won't be long before you're here, too. Enjoy it while you can. It won't last nearly as long as you think it will.

 

[Parmandur]

And? "It sells" is not the comment on quality that so many people seem to assume. "It sells" just means it sells. It doesn't mean it's good. Nor does it mean that I like it or want it. Yes, the genie is out and it's never going back. So what? Doesn't change my opinion. I'm already 90% done with WotC's watered-down version of D&D. I don't need more reminders that I'm not the target audience any longer. Yeah, yeah. "Old man yells at clouds." Well, it won't be long before you're here, too. Enjoy it while you can. It won't last nearly as long as you think it will.

Well, selling is one of the most objective measures of quality. It might not be a quality an individual wants, but if a large number do and respond by spending their dollar votes, then there it is.

And yeah, D&D forums are not going to be good places to go to avoid hearing about Magic/D&D crossovers.

I'm aleady exiting the target audience, but my kids are entering it, so that's fun. It's a beautiful process, the circle of life

 

[overgeeked]

Well, selling is one of the most objective measures of quality.

Sales are an objective measure of sales. Nothing more. If sales are a measure of quality then we're stuck with the conclusion that A Tale of Two Cities is objectively a better book than...literally every other book in English. If you can think of a single book that's better than A Tale of Two Cities...well, you've just proved my point.

 

[Parmandur]

Sales are an objective measure of sales. Nothing more. If sales are a measure of quality then we're stuck with the conclusion that 50 Shades of Gray is objectively a better book than...basically every other book in English. If you can think of a single book that's better than 50 Shades of Gray...well, you've just proved my point.

50 Shades if Grey definitely has qualities...not the qualities you or I are looking for or that have lasting value that crosses acroos time and cultures, perhaps, but definitely qualities that have their audience. That is actually a great example of my point: for the sort of person who likes that sort of thing, that is exactly the sort of thing that they like.

 

[Parmandur]

@overgeeked note that by "quality" I do not mean a quantitative scale of "good" or "bad," but rather accidental features of something like "yellow", "sour", "smooth", "funny", "sexy", "wonderous"...that sort of thing, that can't be quantified so precisely.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Quite the opposite: Ravnica is a high-effort work, it made me start playing Magic.

What you're saying is that you like Ravnica. That doesn't say anything about its objective quality, or why they decided to publish it as a 5e setting.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Jeez, if there's one thing I've learned from reading peoples' opinions of 5e setting implementations on this board, it's that a body of fans with obsessive familiarity with the setting history would NEVER complain....

(and yes, I'm guilty here too!)

I mispoke/wrote. I meant most D&D people don't have obsessive Magic knowledge.

 

[Parmandur]

What you're saying is that you like Ravnica. That doesn't say anything about its objective quality, or why they decided to publish it as a 5e setting.

Well, have you read it? I assure you it is far from lazy writing. They decided to publish it because they like money, and James Wyatt threw himself into it because he loves being employeed, and also Magic and D&D. It might be the most important contribution he has made to the hobby.

 

[Parmandur]

I mispoke/wrote. I meant most D&D people don't have obsessive Magic knowledge.

I would seriously not bet that is the case: the Venb crossover between the player bases is huge. Consider that most D&D people weren't even born yet when Magic took over the nerd world, and never let go.

 

[MockingBird]

Isn't Ravinica one of the more popular MtG blocks? I assumed that's why they chose it. I don't know one thing about Ravnica so I never picked it up. I did enjoy the Theros block and debated getting the book but I had no interest in running a Greek themed game. I was hoping it would have some epic levels like 20-30 rules in it.