D&D (2024) What New Classes Should Be Added One D&D PHB?

[Parmandur]

If you can't see a distinction between Dragon's Dogma and Final Fantasy 13, style-wise, which is the actual comparator I've been using, then I don't think the comparison that's a problem.

Changing it to Dungeons and Dungeons and Final Fantasy generically changes what I'm saying so may be the point that's confusing you. Perhaps use my actual comparison? Or don't, but don't attribute comparisons I didn't make. There's FF stuff that's 100% within D&D's typical aesthetic. But there's also FF that is like 50% or more outside that. 13 is in the latter category (not to be confused with 14, or 12 - which are both somewhat closer).

I mean, D&D's aesthetic is pretty diverse? Eberron, Ravnica, Spelljammer, Acquisitions Incorporated...

 

[Aldarc]

I mean, D&D'Souza aesthetic is pretty diverse? Eberron, Ravnica, Spelljammer, Acquisitions Incorporated...

Not to mention Radiant Citadel, Beyond the Witchlight, Strixhaven, or Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus.

It's not like Dark Sun adheres to Dragon's Dogma style aesthetics either.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I mean, D&D'Souza aesthetic is pretty diverse? Eberron, Ravnica, Spelljammer, Acquisitions Incorporated...

???? Dinesh D'Souza ???? I am so confused.

For my money Acquisitions Incorporated is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY outside the D&D aesthetic into "someone's weirdass homebrew campaign so overloaded with injokes and self-references that it's in danger of vanishing up it's own bum at any moment". I'd also say Ravnica was a poor fit for D&D, which is part of why it's basically been forgotten for years.

But YMMV.

If they want to add in more new settings that have a more FF13-ish aesthetic, well, first off I think they need to bring in Swordmages or similar lol, but second off, they should actually do it, it'd be cool, but currently it's not really the case.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

It's not like Dark Sun adheres to Dragon's Dogma style aesthetics either.

Which is an entirely different argument to what I made, and in serious danger of turning into a giant Straw Man and rampaging through New York. Also call me back when 5E has Dark Sun as an official setting book again, I'll be pleased to hear from you.

 

[Parmandur]

???? Dinesh D'Souza ???? I am so confused.

For my money Acquisitions Incorporated is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY outside the D&D aesthetic into "someone's weirdass homebrew campaign so overloaded with injokes and self-references that it's in danger of vanishing up it's own bum at any moment". I'd also say Ravnica was a poor fit for D&D, which is part of why it's basically been forgotten for years.

But YMMV.

If they want to add in more new settings that have a more FF13-ish aesthetic, well, first off I think they need to bring in Swordmages or similar lol, but second off, they should actually do it, it'd be cool, but currently it's not really the case.

Yeah, I don't know where the D'Souza came from in my autocorrect, I haven't thought about thst guy in years.

Acquisitions Incorporated has been a major cornerstone of D&D marketing for years, amd Ravnica brought a huge number of people into D&D from what I have seen in the MtG community. Neither aesthetic is out of line with D&D as such, in terms of their brand. And the core brand aesthetic, the Forgotten Realms, definitely has Artificers!

 

[Lakesidefantasy]

Take some class options out of the new Player's Handbook, this allows them to introduce those classes as optional classes in future publications.

It's a tough list to make with many pitfalls, but here goes...

• Fighter
• Rogue
• Sorcerer

These just about cover all of your bases. I chose sorcerer over wizard because it is an easier class to play for new Players.

Also include...

• Cleric

Now nobody will be happy with such a short list, so add...

• Bard
• Barbarian
• Ranger
• Wizard

Now that may please enough people to be successful, but we could always add...

• Paladin

...to make sure.

 

[Aldarc]

Which is an entirely different argument to what I made, and in serious danger of turning into a giant Straw Man and rampaging through New York. Also call me back when 5E has Dark Sun as an official setting book again, I'll be pleased to hear from you.

Okay, but maybe I am unclear what your argument is. If it is a strawman, then now is your time to correct my misconception of your argument rather than simply telling me that I made a strawman using an insulting hyperbolic exaggeration.

For my money Acquisitions Incorporated is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY outside the D&D aesthetic into "someone's weirdass homebrew campaign so overloaded with injokes and self-references that it's in danger of vanishing up it's own bum at any moment". I'd also say Ravnica was a poor fit for D&D, which is part of why it's basically been forgotten for years.

This feels a bit like "No True Scotsman" but with applying some imaginary purity test for D&D's aesthetic. Acquisitions Incorporated forms part of the D&D collage like other official settings that contribute to the tapestry of the D&D multiverse and its various aesthetics.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

This feels a bit like "No True Scotsman" but with applying some imaginary purity test for D&D's aesthetic. Acquisitions Incorporated forms part of the D&D collage like other official settings that contribute to the tapestry of the D&D multiverse and its various aesthetics.

It's an opinion. I said "For my money", which I means that I am actually allowed to have an opinion, right?

I think you're very keen for there to be a "purity test" you can argue with, when in fact people have opinions about aesthetics and are allowed to. So this is another case of you looking for something that isn't there.

Also, it's just unrealistic to pretend D&D's aesthetics at any given time don't tend to centre around a certain (moving) point. That point has definitely changed since 1E, multiple times, but it's still a thing. It's changed even between 5E's launch and 2022 I note. But not really towards more magitech, interestingly, rather towards a sort of more modern clothing/hairstyle/weapons aesthetic.

 

[Aldarc]

It's an opinion. I said "For my money", which I means that I am actually allowed to have an opinion, right?

"For my money, no true Scotsman would ever..."

It's an opinion. I'm entitlted to it. No one has argued otherwise. But I'm still making a True Scotsman fallacy regardless of whether I am couching it as an opinion.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

By the same logic of digging ultra-deep into FR lore, I doubt there is a single class that we couldn't justify, and probably justify better at that!

Even a lot of your examples support my point, because they're absolutely nothing like Artificers, and Artificers can't do anything like them. This are all pretty obscure things.

What next, we going to bring back Spellfire as a class?

This would definitely help a ton with the theme-ing. I feel like the Battle Smith having a straight-up robot by default is also an issue.

I think they need a top-to-bottom mechanical rework, and no-one has made a single positive argument for their mechanics so far, I note, only negative arguments that "Maybe they're not that bad compared to the very worst stuff in other classes!".

Honestly Spellfire screams Sorcerer subclass to me.

There enough simularities to preexisting stuff to justify Artifacers. If you use your logic we could call 5e clerics clerics because they have spells if 8th abd 9th level, couldn't call 5e Wizards Wizards because they have spontasy casting, etc..., which was not the case in earlier edition. The question is is Artificer within the magical and technology capcity of FR abd the answer is yes. Imaskar was ruled by a Lord Artificer.

And your right, you could justify almost any class with FR lore which is why it's not a good choice when looking for arguments against a class or race in D&D, almost any other setting would be a better choice. I mean FR lore by itself is probably bigger then anything short of Star Trek, Marvel, and DC, and FR absorbs other D&D lore that gets to close to it.

It's only a matter of time before Artificers start popping up in novels and source books for FR, maybe even future movies, TV shows, and Comic books.

And Ironman is inspired by Hephaestian mythology, which while not fantasy, has inspired fantasy and Sci Fi.