My memory of 4e is sparse. Were the highest level adventures pretty much aimed at being off world/off plane?
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My memory of 4e is sparse. Were the highest level adventures pretty much aimed at being off world/off plane?
This is basically the current default state of D&D though. Mundane zero to Game of Throne hero Fighters co-exist with zero to marvel superhero Wizards.
I've never seen a Warblade or mythic martial strawman that proposes something that surpasses what a Wizard can do so who cares if there is another class that is somewhere between mundane Fighter and Wizard?
Do people fear that everyone will play the mythic martial? If so, that tells us that's what people want, doesn't it?
I believe that there are still people that would play the mundane Fighter however because people play it now despite more versatile and powerful options available. These people don't care about the power gap or minimizes it through at table conventions and house rules (explicit and implicit). Some people just like that asthetic and combination -- simple, mundane, extra power from magic items, everyday person that defies the odds, etc.
If people like that they can have it. Why not? Some games would also give these mundanes plot points/meta currency to mimick the narrative contrivences that give vastly unequal power level companions equal weight to the adventure in fiction. D&D hasn't gone there.
So I don't really see the issue with both in the same game given the current state.
Vaalingrade
Legend
Fighters should get their version of cantrips and invocations.
Most epic challenges were off plane but plenty (ancient dragons, liches, giants, mummies) were on the Material plane as well or could be summoned there (fiends, fey).
4e also had minion so paragon level humaniod foes could be converted to epic minions.
Garthanos
Arcadian Knight
I am not much into premade adventures though I suspect they are just to be generic. For me it makes sense to tune your story to fit your players Paragon Paths and then their Epic Destiny if they are turning into a manifestation of nature (I do not remember the exact description in 5e) like mentioned in description of the 4th tier that might correspond to the 4e Epic Destiny Primal Avatar, that might have a different lead in than Legendary General some of the challenge might be giving every players story proper voice.
GMforPowergamers
Legend
why not we have sorcerer wizard and warlock... all three could just be a flavor of a single mage class... in fact the warlock is very much the simplest of these, with the sorcerer inbetween. there is no reason we can't have a martial weapon class that is as complex without worrying about the overlap. We can call it warblade, or swordsage, or warlord, or demi god, or anime sword guy... it doesn't have to be called fighter
I would not mind that at all
Garthanos
Arcadian Knight
certainly a possibility what are your ideas of fighter cantrips?
Jamie Lannister or Barristan Selmy put the 20th level fighter to shame shame shame.
The 5e 20th level fighter is Meryn Trant.
GMforPowergamers
Legend
this is the thing (IMO) as long as wotc is the 'bad guy' not allowing more powerful complex martials the DM isn't the 'bad guy' for forbidding warlord or warblade from there game.
yes but I believe (IMO) there is also a fear of those players trying and liking this mythic warrior... then the others will feel "pushed out" of the game not wanting to play with one.
Garthanos
Arcadian Knight
So my idea of making a mortal/mundane bloodline which includes an extra attunement slot or two? and a lucky style feat and similar things might shore them up without defeating the aesthetic?
