Remathilis
Legend
What kind of changes are being made to classes?
Less than are needed, more than people want.
Less than are needed, more than people want.
I predict Fighters will get Superiority Dice by default rather then it just being part of one subclass
The D&D Beyond data I recall showed the three most popular single-classed Sorcerer subclasses as (1) Draconic (28%); (2) Divine Soul (22%); and (3) Shadow (20%) for those who had everything unlocked.Perhaps in general, and I do expect some serious surprises on that front, but thatnot the best example. Forum discourse aside, D&D Beyond data shows that the Wild Mage is extremely popular...the second most popular Sorcerer Subclass, and it isn't even close.
I'm not sure what they will end up doing to the monk. I do agree that I wish the monk was less orientalist and maybe more neutral, such as gaining their powers from their vows or oaths, but that is more wish than prediction.I'd like to see the Four Elements Monk replaced with...four Subclasses, each one for an Element.
While we are on Monks...I don't think the Orientalist elements can stand, so I think theybwill try to shake that off.
I'll see your guitar and raise you a violin.Do you think your Wu-Tang guitar can defeat me?
Ah, I see what I was looking st, then. Still, the Wild Mage hasn't been ill received per se, and in my experience it is actually pretty effective in play.The D&D Beyond data I recall showed the three most popular single-classed Sorcerer subclasses as (1) Draconic (28%); (2) Divine Soul (22%); and (3) Shadow (20%) for those who had everything unlocked.
The Wild Mage was the second most popular Sorcerer subclass in single-class characters who didn't have everything unlocked (i.e., more than the SRD or PHB), but that changes when looking at the bigger picture. Then it's as above.
I'm not sure what they will end up doing to the monk. I do agree that I wish the monk was less orientalist and maybe more neutral, such as gaining their powers from their vows or oaths, but that is more wish than prediction.
I don't think that the Wild Mage is ill-received but it is less popular than other subclasses.Ah, I see what I was looking st, then. Still, the Wild Mage hasn't been ill received per se, and in my experience it is actually pretty effective in play.
I do think some sort of reckoning for the Monk and Barbarian is likely, given the changing climate in society (and about time). I just don't think they can get away with that in 2024, and that they know it, too.
I dunno if that's true.I do think some sort of reckoning for the Monk and Barbarian is likely, given the changing climate in society (and about time). I just don't think they can get away with that in 2024, and that they know it, too.
the monk always badly needs an overhaul and that is just the name.I dunno if that's true.
Remember lineage? And how it went back to being race?
Pathfinder 2E is kind of the "mine canary" here. People who like D&D-ish games but are more "right-on" are often PF2 fans/boosters, because, frankly, PF2 has done a better job with diversity/modernity etc. Part of this is having a specific setting - Golarion - which they were able to update timeline-wise to get rid of stuff they didn't like. Part of it is that their core team is I believe more diverse and certainly has better instincts than WotC on this kind of thing. I don't think WotC are less committed to be clear, but they're not doing as well (even with this playtest they misstepped on half-races and by assigning languages to jobs - even I, only mildly "woke" (due to my 44-year-old decrepitude) when "UH OH" when I saw the languages assigned to jobs thing).
Anyway, whatever, point is they're basically a couple of years ahead, minimum, of where WotC is (at least for the last few years).
And they still have Barbarians and Monks (even still called that). I also don't see much discussion on left-RPG-Twitter of Barbarian anymore. A few years ago people were like "Omg so problematic!". Now it seems almost like it's been accepted as a class-name not connected to real-world stuff. I dunno if that'll stick but...
Worth noting PF2 Monks aren't forced-Shaolin Monks like 5E though - that's one option among many due to the way PF2 uses Feats (which ends up being more like Warlock Eldritch Invocations than D&D's Feats).