Dragonlance Dragonlance "Reimagined".

[DarkCrisis]

This. Being a wizard in DL is more important than being a good or evil wizard. The magic comes first.

This. It's why i mentioned earlier that Magic and being a Wizard in DL is your religion. Also keep in mind, the gods are ever present. You can literally look into the sky and see your god. Even the Magic Gods who don't accept worshippers.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

The thing you and others have a problem with is at the core of the setting. It is the philosophy it was built around. Removing it makes playing Dragonlance pointless to me. Just add a bunch of dragons to your favorite setting if that's what you want.

no, I want the good/evil to just be more realisitic... I want the white tower to NOT want people to join the black, and not be willing to put to death (and forcing a lethal test) to those who are good.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Not gonna touch the death penalty thing, but if the White Robes refuse to stop this, then they don't get to be upheld as Good. They don't get to claim bystander effect because as has been pointed out they have nukes.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

So you think it's in accordance with the ideals of Good to form a governing body that discriminates against others on the basis of alignment?

yes it is 100% good to not let murderer terrorist and worse get a part of political power.

That strikes me as being an absolutist statement. If you hold that a fundamental principle of Good is "Evil must be destroyed, immediately, wherever it's encountered" then I think your definition is necessarily going to clash with other people's.

there is a world of diffrence between "we kill good people" and "We don't let evil people make rules that make us kill good people"

Can you cite your sources regarding those percentages?

I gave a range cause we don't know but it's a non 0 amount of good people killed

Likewise, I'm not sure what you mean with regard to "go in unarmed," since I was under the impression that mages take the Test with their spells prepared. I really can't understand what you're saying here.

they take away all of there magic.

It's worth noting that various wizards can and do oppose each other; they simply don't do so as an organizational principle, since otherwise there is no organization.

right... maybe make a GOOD orginization

 

[Micah Sweet]

no, I want the good/evil to just be more realisitic... I want the white tower to NOT want people to join the black, and not be willing to put to death (and forcing a lethal test) to those who are good.

Again, that's the nature of the setting, as designed by the authors. Magic is more important than where you stand on morality. If you want to be a White Robe hero who disagrees with the status quo, great! But the system is what the system is. Change it in play.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

If you have a problem with how Dragonlance defines good and evil (totally understandable by the way), maybe the setting isn't for you.

why can't we fix it?

 

[Micah Sweet]

yes it is 100% good to not let murderer terrorist and worse get a part of political power.

there is a world of diffrence between "we kill good people" and "We don't let evil people make rules that make us kill good people"

I gave a range cause we don't know but it's a non 0 amount of good people killed

they take away all of there magic.

right... maybe make a GOOD orginization

They don't take away all their magic. Multiple examples show this. I don't know where you're getting that from.

 

[Micah Sweet]

why can't we fix it?

Because then it wouldn't be Dragonlance. It would be a homebrew setting that you like more. That's awesome! Play that setting.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Again, that's the nature of the setting, as designed by the authors.

but it was made 35 maybe 40 years ago, if we are reimagining why are we stuck with 40 year old ideas?

Magic is more important than where you stand on morality.

that's fine... then don't call them good. Good is a word it has meaning/

If you want to be a White Robe hero who disagrees with the status quo, great! But the system is what the system is. Change it in play.

or... just don't make a dumb tower test that is lethal.

make them more like hogworts houses one is brave one is ambitus... you can be good and ambitus black robe, and evil and brave white robe

 

[Alzrius]

yes it is 100% good to not let murderer terrorist and worse get a part of political power.

Except you're advocating for discriminating against them before they do anything, since you're purporting that simply pinging on a detect evil spell is sufficient to exclude them from having a say. That level of intolerance doesn't strike me as being Good, but I suppose YMMV.

there is a world of diffrence between "we kill good people" and "We don't let evil people make rules that make us kill good people"

Your summary is inaccurate. The mages do not kill people; telling someone that they have to run through a live-fire exercise in order to be licensed is not the same thing as killing them. Hence, no one is being "made to kill people," good or otherwise.

I gave a range cause we don't know but it's a non 0 amount of good people killed

That's an unfortunate reality when you have to show that you can use live ordinance.

they take away all of there magic.

This is not accurate to what I remember. For instance, Raistlin cast a burning hands spell during his Test.

right... maybe make a GOOD orginization

Which will immediately be opposed by the self-selected evil organization, resulting in wide-spread magical warfare. I'm of the opinion that part of a Good alignment would want to reduce the chances of large-scale fighting, with its unavoidable killing of civilians, as much as possible. As opposed to the absolutist "MUST DESTROY ALL EVIL, NO MATTER THE COSTS!" take on it.