D&D 5E 5E Survivor - Subclasses (Part VI: Fighters)

[DND_Reborn]

I had a whole reply written out, but the accusatory tone, blatant mischaracterizations, and long winded line-by-line length of this post has discouraged me from even continuing the discussion.

You have gained wisdom, grasshopper.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I had a whole reply written out, but the accusatory tone, blatant mischaracterizations, and long winded line-by-line length of this post has discouraged me from even continuing the discussion. You win, I guess?

Mod Note:

People, if you’re disengaging from a conversation in a forum, adding in Parthian shots like this isn’t going to help in any way.

Do better going forward.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

You have gained wisdom, grasshopper.

Mod Note:

And snarky responses to Parthian shots is just as bad as the posts they’re responding to.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Okay this had to be replied to.

You cannot see it because you refuse to consider past mechanics as a reason for things.

Well, no, but I can see where you could get that idea.

Mechanical expression matters. The past is not some irrelevant technicality that can be brushed aside. If you call something a "Wizard" in D&D, people are going to expect magic missile and fireball--and that fireball better be potent.

Yes, and how that’s done in specific mechanical terms isn’t as important as it being a big fire bomb the wizard can lob from across the battlefield. Now, that is more specific IMO than “inspiring allies to push through”, so we haven’t gotten anywhere here.

If you call something a "Paladin" in D&D, it better be able to smite things in some way and "lay on hands."

“Lay on hands” isn’t a mechanic. Smite isn’t a mechanic. They are thematic concepts that have been expressed mechanically in different ways in different editions.

Why are these mechanics important? Because they're part of the identity, the spirit, of the classes involved. These elements need to be respected, and translated as faithfully as possible within the limits of the new system.

But they don’t need to use the same mechanics to do so.

If Sneak Attack were changed to giving the attack highly increased crit chance and a “if it drops below X HP it dies, if it doesn’t it takes half the damage again next round”, it would still be Sneak Attack, as long as it somehow required underhanded tactics, even in a very handwaved way like 5e does, and comes as part of the Rogue class.

 

[Umbran]

You cannot see it because you refuse to consider

Mod Note:
Do yourself, and everyone else, a favor - don't make it personal. Address what was said, not the person who said it.

Imagine the uncomplimentary things that could be asserted about what you think about this discussion. Imagine how annoyed it'd make you.

Then, realize that the Golden Rule applies.

Okay this had to be replied to.

No, it didn't. Really. Nothing bad would happen if you held to your announcement that you were disengaging.

For both of you - after this, if you keep butting heads it is totally your own fault if you get warning points or removed from the discussion. If you cannot figure out to play nice or disengage after red text, you can't blame what happens on the other guy.