D&D 5E The Decrease in Desire for Magic in D&D

[Maxperson]

Oh I do not know and neither do you, the character does not lose memories of those friends the spell does not say so .... you are reaching with a hostile agenda, nothing more.

Nope. It specifically(beating general) only says they retain alignment and personality. You are adding in memory when it does not say it is retained.

The personality of the character does not include attacking friends then neither will the beast.

Correct. Alignment and personality are the key factors here. A CN angry and violent barbarian PC would attack his "friends." A LG peace loving cleric would not, nor the enemy for that matter.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Unfortunately, I think the rules assume combat as sport now. More's the pity.

that changed around 2000 with 3e, I don't think any of the WotC editions have been combat as war

 

[Maxperson]

I don't know... are they pack hunters? do they mate for life? do they feel kinship or are they even possible to be domesticated???

I will relent to house cats being jerks that attack allies... other animals not so much.

Cats, not house cats. A trained tiger friend attacked Roy of Sigfried and Roy, mauling him terribly. Other animals sometimes do as well.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I don't know... are they pack hunters?

Most recent findings suggest most tyrannosaurids were indeed pack hunters and took care of their young. Most apes absolutely do.

So even the BS excuse trying to make the PC go ballistic and make the spell an active determent to cast fails on the two most popular choices.

Most animals just aren't big, dumb movie monsters that exist to kill humans.

 

[Maxperson]

And it is specific cat behavior... ie personality not some abstracted NATURE that says DM gets to roleplay the character or force things that are contrary to the characters personality AND alignment.

Literally nobody here has argued in favor of that being true. Personality and alignment are not memory, though. So no, the LG peace loving cleric wouldn't attack anything, but he's going to be limited by the nature(not form) of the beast EXCEPT for alignment and personality, the ONLY two exceptions specifically written. Memory is not a written exception.

 

[Maxperson]

Most recent findings suggest most tyrannosaurids were indeed pack hunters and took care of their young.

Based on the finding of a family that died together. Many birds(modern dinosaurs) stay together until the young are ready to go out on their own and then go their separate ways.

Scientists saying that the recent findings "suggest" that they were pack hunters just because they found a family of extinct birds that died together is highly optimistic.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Like a lot of things that people seem set on bending over backward to make useless because they think they're too powerful... why not just ban Polymorph or the use of it on allies?

It can't be a genre concern because the berserker mode isn't archetypical to this type of shapeshifting

 

[Vaalingrade]

Based on the finding of a family that died together. Many birds(modern dinosaurs) stay together until the young are ready to go out on their own and then go their separate ways.

Scientists saying that the recent findings "suggest" that they were pack hunters just because they found a family of extinct birds that died together is highly optimistic.

Nope. Group of smaller adult tyrannosaurids found in Argentina.

You're thinking of that river full of various species of tyrannosaurids in Canada.

 

[Maxperson]

Nope. Group of smaller adult tyrannosaurids found in Argentina.

You're thinking of that river full of various species of tyrannosaurids in Canada.

No. The article I read was about a site in Utah.

The Canada location, according to the 2021 article I read, is a hypothesized location of a T-rex mass death based on three sets T rex tracks a distance apart that go in the same direction.

The Argentine group were not tyranosaurs. They also MAY have been group hunters. Or they may just breed close together and this group died during mating season. No one knows.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Not just combat. Traps and other hazards have, on average, gone the same way.

Yeah. That's what WotC's customers want, I guess.