D&D 5E The Decrease in Desire for Magic in D&D

[Garthanos]

That's false. "The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new form..." Nature of the form, not the form itself.

What is the nature of a t-rex?

What is the "nature of the form" of a t-rex... its bipedal with tiny front legs.
It does not say nature of the beast.

 

[Maxperson]

What is the nature of the form of a t-rex... its bipedall with tiny front legs.

And also the limited brain of an animal, acting on instincts like an apex predator, lack of ability to even think in language, and more. That is also its nature. Brain capacity and instincts are part of the physical brain and therefore form.

 

[Garthanos]

People with amnesia retain their personalities.

And the memories are often suppressed (and so can be recovered). And to an extent real life personalities can be massively altered but it likely will involve some memory loss too and may be quite permanent. ( brain impairment of that sort is tricky. )

 

[Garthanos]

And also the limited brain of an animal, acting on instincts like an apex predator, lack of ability to even think in language, and more. That is also its nature. Brain capacity and instincts are part of the physical brain and therefore form.

Personality and alignment are likely in conflict with those instincts you mention twice (Which is the foundation of someone wanting to allow checks to fight things like those limits I suppose)

 

[Garthanos]

Any way fun conversation max. I am sleepy too now.

 

[Maxperson]

And the memories are often suppressed (and so can be recovered).

Just like when polymorph ends.

 

[Voadam]

Just like when polymorph ends.

You are misreading RAW polymorph again, that's Tenser's you are thinking of.

 

[Voadam]

Exactly what it says it does is make you into a copy of a beast, EXCEPT for alignment and personality. There is nothing written about memory being a third exception, so it isn't.

The spell does not say everything except alignment and personality. There is no phrasing of "everything" or "except".

It says the target's game statistics are replaced by the statistics of the chosen form. It says the target retains its alignment and personality. If there is something not covered by either I would say the spell does not change it.

Do you consider game statistics everything? Do you consider memory a game statistic?

My reading of "game statistics" is more limited.

 

[Maxperson]

The spell does not say everything except alignment and personality. There is no phrasing of "everything" or "except".

If you give me a list of items you have from A to Z and I say to you, "I'm stranding you on a desert island and you will retain C and X.", you aren't going to think that you get all the rest. The way English works you will realize that I'm giving you only those two items.

Regardless of how you interpret the spell, what I am saying is a correct interpretation of "It retains its alignment and personality."

Do you consider game statistics everything? Do you consider memory a game statistic?

Memory is not. Alignment is not. Personality is not. You get the game statistics of the beast and of the non-game statistics, you retain alignment and personality. That's it.

 

[Voadam]

That's false. "The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new form..." Nature of the form, not the form itself.

What is the nature of a t-rex?

What is the "nature of the form" of a t-rex... its bipedal with tiny front legs.
It does not say nature of the beast.

I am with Garthanos here.

Whether you retain your mind or not, the nature of the T-Rex form is the same. Big, bipedal, large head, tail, not so large arms.