D&D (2024) Why no new packs since late September?

[overgeeked]

They just finished gathering feedback for this last round a few days ago. And then there was a holiday.

Yeah. After extending the feedback window 2-3 times. Experts had what, 2-3 times the window origins did. Likely hoping to get more positive feedback. Probably didn’t work out as they hoped.

 

[Micah Sweet]

At a guess, they’re getting more negative feedback than they expected. If they were getting mostly positive feedback, it would be full steam ahead. More than anything else they don’t want to split the fanbase again, so they want 80-90% onboard with their changes. Less than that and they risk killing the golden goose. Maybe people took their claims of backward compatibility seriously and when they saw the playtest and realized that’s not really going to happen, they freaked.

There is no possible way they're going to get 80-90% on board with anything, and trying to do so would be, IMO, a fool's errand and a waste of time.

 

[overgeeked]

There is no possible way they're going to get 80-90% on board with anything, and trying to do so would be, IMO, a fool's errand and a waste of time.

Crawford said something like this number is their threshold for regular UA feedback. I don’t remember the source. I’d imagine they want similar for this. Not that they’re going to get it.

 

[R_J_K75]

Maybe people took their claims of backward compatibility seriously and when they saw the playtest and realized that’s not really going to happen, they freaked.

Without some significant changes to core mechanics of how the game plays then to me its probably gonna seem to samey to 5E. I'd just prefer 6E to a half edition. Besides buying the 1D&D core books to see the final product but I probably wont invest more than that, but who knows we'll see.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Crawford said something like this number is their threshold for regular UA feedback. I don’t remember the source. I’d imagine they want similar for this. Not that they’re going to get it.

I think it was 70% actually, which was also ridiculous and contributed directly to many good ideas (like the concept of psionics) being left on the cutting room floor.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Without some significant changes to core mechanics of how the game plays then to me its probably gonna seem to samey to 5E. I'd just prefer 6E to a half edition. Besides buying the 1D&D core books to see the final product but I probably wont invest more than that, but who knows we'll see.

I've been advocating for a more significant edition change all along, to clearly separate whatever this is going to be from 5e. But as you say, they really want to pursue this half-measure, I suspect purely for $$ reasons.

 

[overgeeked]

Without some significant changes to core mechanics of how the game plays then to me its probably gonna seem to samey to 5E. I'd just prefer 6E to a half edition. Besides buying the 1D&D core books to see the final product but I probably wont invest more than that, but who knows we'll see.

Sure, but feeling samey ≠ backwards compatibility.

Changing the levels where classes get features, feats, ASI, etc, changing all feats to 1/2 feats, normalizing subclasses, and more means this will not be backwards compatible as most people would use the phrase.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Sure, but feeling samey ≠ backwards compatibility.

Changing the levels where classes get features, feats, ASI, etc, changing all feats to 1/2 feats, normalizing subclasses, and more means this will not be backwards compatible as most people would use the phrase.

Yeah, 6e proponents really seem to feel that changes to the fundamental math of the game are the only thing that affects backward compatibility. We'll have to see if the fanbase agrees, but I really doubt it.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

care to share your sources?

Just look around this very forum.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I wonder if they're not getting the feedback they hoped for. At least on this site, even most of the folks who generally liked what we've seen so far for 6e have sent in negative feedback.

Cool. When will 6e be out?