D&D General There are no "Editions" of D&D

[Maxperson]

Reality is different for different people.

It isn't. Here's where you are getting in trouble. Reality is reality. It doesn't change according to perception or opinion. That's why the saying isn't, "Perception equals reality" but rather it's "Perception is greater than reality."

Perception is often greater than reality because misperceptions like yours where you perceive an objective imbalance as balanced causes you to treat it as balanced and actually(and incorrectly) believe that it is balanced. Your personal perception trumps reality in this case so it's greater than reality.

That said, your misperception doesn't change reality or the facts that determine it. It is in fact unbalanced no matter what your perception is and since your perception doesn't go beyond yourself, the game designers need to balance according to reality and not your perceptions.

This particular true for a game like D&D. I am just look at these forums. There are dozens, if not more, realities deriving form the same “facts.”

There is only one reality. There are dozens of perceptions and misperceptions of that reality.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I didn’t claim perception was facts, I claimed it was reality and that is a fact

if this is the case, then there is no objective truth to the 3 blind men trying to identify an elephant. The problem is some one with sight watching them can see the reality, no matter how they subjectively feel about the information they have. If you replace 3 blind men with 3 blindfolded people then have the person remove the blindfold you get to the point where the claim is more information didn't just educate better but actually warped reality.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

It isn't. Here's where you are getting in trouble. Reality is reality. It doesn't change according to perception or opinion. That's why the saying isn't, "Perception equals reality" but rather it's "Perception is greater than reality."

Perception is often greater than reality because misperceptions like yours where you perceive an objective imbalance as balanced causes you to treat it as balanced and actually(and incorrectly) believe that it is balanced. Your personal perception trumps reality in this case so it's greater than reality.

That said, your misperception doesn't change reality or the facts that determine it. It is in fact unbalanced no matter what your perception is and since your perception doesn't go beyond yourself, the game designers need to balance according to reality and not your perceptions.

There is only one reality. There are dozens of perceptions and misperceptions of that reality.

You’re wrong again. I know you can’t see that, just as well as I know you can’t convenience me otherwise.

Question: what are trying to achieve? Are simply trying to change my perspective? That’s not going to happen. Simply writing more and being more dismissive is not going to convince me.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Perception is often greater than reality because misperceptions like yours where you perceive an objective imbalance as balanced causes you to treat it as balanced and actually(and incorrectly) believe that it is balanced. Your personal perception trumps reality in this case so it's greater than reality.

another great example is how heavy something is. I have a 25lbs weight limit on what I can lift due to a medical issue. the number of people that think 50lbs bags of things feel 'light enough it should be okay' amazes me. The thing that strikes me the most is 5 years ago I used to carry 2 of those, one over each shoulder and say "they don't weigh that much" but I don't dare try to lift 1 today... no matter how many times people say "But it doesn't feel like its' more then 25lbs"

my puppy when I got him weighed 2 1/2lbs. to my mom he has 'gotten too big he must be more then your limit" but he now is about 10lbs (over 9 but under 10) our old dog that passed almost right before I was given my limit was about 30lbs... she (my mom) thinks the new puppy weights close and was surprised when he vet dais he is basicly 1/3 the weight

 

[Maxperson]

just as well as I know you can’t convenience me otherwise.

Stubborn misperceptions are like that.

Question: what are trying to achieve? Are simply trying to change my perspective? That’s not going to happen. Simply writing more and being more dismissive is not going to convince me.

I'm actually trying to help you. Understanding that perception doesn't equal reality(starting with learning what the definition of reality is) will help avoid a lot of confrontation when you make grossly incorrect claims like your perception is reality. Hell, I've even tried by showing you what the saying actually is. Perception is greater than reality. You should look that up as well.

But you are correct that if you refuse to accept reality and will continue to view your perceptions as reality in direct defiance of reality itself, there's no point in continuing.

 

[Maxperson]

another great example is how heavy something is. I have a 25lbs weight limit on what I can lift due to a medical issue. the number of people that think 50lbs bags of things feel 'light enough it should be okay' amazes me. The thing that strikes me the most is 5 years ago I used to carry 2 of those, one over each shoulder and say "they don't weigh that much" but I don't dare try to lift 1 today... no matter how many times people say "But it doesn't feel like its' more then 25lbs"

Exactly! If @Uni-the-Unicorn! was correct, those people's perception of the 50 pound bags not feeling like it's more than 25 pounds would make the reality into those bags not weighing more than 25 pounds. Reality just doesn't work that way. Reality is reality regardless of perception. They still weigh 50 pounds for those people regardless of their perception.

Perception(or more accurately misperception) can be greater than reality because for those people those bags won't in their minds weigh more than 25 pounds. To them it doesn't weight that much and they may refuse to believe that they are wrong.

my puppy when I got him weighed 2 1/2lbs. to my mom he has 'gotten too big he must be more then your limit" but he now is about 10lbs (over 9 but under 10) our old dog that passed almost right before I was given my limit was about 30lbs... she (my mom) thinks the new puppy weights close and was surprised when he vet dais he is basicly 1/3 the weight

Another good example.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

Stubborn misperceptions are like that.

I know, luckily that I am aware of that.

I'm actually trying to help you. Understanding that perception doesn't equal reality(starting with learning what the definition of reality is) will help avoid a lot of confrontation when you make grossly incorrect claims like your perception is reality. Hell, I've even tried by showing you what the saying actually is. Perception is greater than reality. You should look that up as well.

I am sorry I don’t have the background knowledge to help you with your misconceptions, that is why I haven’t given it more effort. I appreciate your effort, but it is most definitely waisted. It is hard for me to take advice from someone who doesn’t realize their own misconceptions.

But you are correct that if you refuse to accept reality and will continue to view your perceptions as reality in direct defiance of reality itself, there's no point in continuing.

I see you are doing the same, that is what I’ve been trying to tell you.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

Exactly! If @Uni-the-Unicorn! was correct, those people's perception of the 50 pound bags not feeling like it's more than 25 pounds would make the reality into those bags not weighing more than 25 pounds.

No, you are misunderstanding what I am saying. You perspective is too rigid and I don’t have the language skills to clarify (nor the desire).

 

[Maxperson]

No, you are misunderstanding what I am saying. You perspective is too rigid and I don’t have the language skills to clarify (nor the desire).

Either perception = reality or it doesn't. This is a true dichotomy. If perception = reality, then perceiving a 50 pound bag as 25 pounds would make it a bag that weighs 25 pounds when put on a scale. If instead perception(or more accurately misperception) is greater than reality as I pointed out in a prior post is the actual saying, then it would be perceived and feel like a 25 pound bag to the person, but the reality would be that it is 50 pounds.

 

[Uni-the-Unicorn!]

Either perception = reality or it doesn't. This is a true dichotomy. If perception = reality, then perceiving a 50 pound bag as 25 pounds would make it a bag that weighs 25 pounds when put on a scale. If instead perception(or more accurately misperception) is greater than reality as I pointed out in a prior post is the actual saying, then it would be perceived and feel like a 25 pound bag to the person, but the reality would be that it is 50 pounds.

Again, you are misunderstanding. I’m sorry I don’t have the skills nor desire to explain it better.

PS - if can’t accept that you could misunderstand something, caulk up to my lack of ability explain it properly