Dragonlance Dragonlance Philosophy thread

[Vaalingrade]

I wonder if DL, the novels, were written when alignment was still just a team jersey and not the behavioral governor they became later.

 

[Aeson]

That plus the "you can fix it for your game so why complain for the book to be changed"
and the "it was written once it can't be changed"

I wanna liken this to another book so bad.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

If it's only "crappy players" at fault, why are there so many horror stories about kenders? You very rarely hear about crappy players being jerks because they're playing elves or dwarfs. You only ever hear about them with kender.

No, I propose that the kender are a crappy race that encouraged players to act like jerks. That they also attracted jerks is beside the point.

I have more then a handful of Kender horror stories that I witnessed and I have heard dozens... I THOUGHT it was just our group for lik 6 years before I heard people at a con talking about the same experience.

Of my more then a handful I can cut out 1 as a problem player (no matter what she played) and 1 as SOMETIMES a problem but not normally a major one... but that leaves 3 or more times (I can name and give details for 3) where players that were never problems before and were not after WERE problems when playing one... and you know what all 3 of them have in common, they like playing from the book advice.

now I can say I saw a Kender NOT be a problem (and ironically the woman IS a problem player sometimes) BUT everyone I tell about THAT character basicly says she wasn't really playing a kender.

 

[DarkCrisis]

If it's only "crappy players" at fault, why are there so many horror stories about kenders? You very rarely hear about crappy players being jerks because they're playing elves or dwarfs. You only ever hear about them with kender.

No, I propose that the kender are a crappy race that encouraged players to act like jerks. That they also attracted jerks is beside the point.

"Encouraged players to act like jerks" So its the players fault then? Or are we really going to go with "If he didn't want to be robbed, he shouldnt have such a nice car."

 

[GMforPowergamers]

I wonder if DL, the novels, were written when alignment was still just a team jersey and not the behavioral governor they became later.

very possible... maybe the game world was based on some guy who very likely played for years... he could have built it on old terms and ideas, then Weiss and Hickman played in this world in 1e, and they wrote the novels based on it.

 

[Vaalingrade]

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Okay.

Dude. We are talking about a stupid game. This analogy? Disgusting.

 

[DarkCrisis]

Okay.

Dude. We are talking about a stupid game. This analogy? Disgusting.

Thats fair. Ill change it. My apologizes

 

[GMforPowergamers]

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Again kender SEEMS to have been fixed by what I hear they are not all be defualt kleptomaniacs now

 

[Vaalingrade]

Thats fair. Ill change it. My apologizes

Redacted in turn.

 

[DarkCrisis]

at the end of the day EVERYTHING is A players fault then... "WHy did your elf not want to work with the dwarf and why did your dwarf not want to work with the elf?" both point to book saying it is a long held animosity... The book started it but the players followed it.

Again kender SEEMS to have been fixed by what I hear they are not all be defualt kleptomaniacs now

They never had to be as a hinderance to the party.

I currently run a 2E DL game. The Kender Player and I agreed that any "handling" is done as RP only. She takes the Fighters dagger. He notices it missing and takes it back. It's never not there when he needs it. She takes the clerics coin pouch, but gives it back next time they buy something.

I don't see why thats so hard for a group to do. Can a DM and a Kender player not agree that handling is just for good fun and for RP? A DM can dictate that Gnomes dont exist in his world but can't say "No stealing for reals from your fellow PCs"?