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[Umbran]

Well, I'm fairly confident...

Your confidence isn't something I use to make my choices.

I made a point I knew I could defend. If you have a problem with that, that's... your problem.

 

[Alzrius]

Your confidence isn't something I use to make my choices.

I made a point I knew I could defend. If you have a problem with that, that's... your problem.

And I corrected it to try and be more inclusive of people who aren't American. I'm not sure why you're pushing back on that, but if you feel moved to do so, then that's certainly your prerogative.

 

[Maxperson]

So the Great Wheel is the official cosmology for 5e.

So what?

Of course not. They've made the decision as to what the official cosmology is. Anything else is unofficial, even if it was at one time official in a different edition.

Not even that. The 5e DMG goes out of its way to explain multiple other cosmologies that the DM could use. It's just that by default they use all of the planes. Even that isn't where it stops, though. The DMG also says to the DM that he should pick which planes he wants to use when deciding on the cosmology, so it encourages the DM to get rid of planes he doesn't want. All of that is official, being in the DMG.

What's in the 5e DMG is plenty sufficient for what @Chaosmancer is talking about.

 

[Umbran]

Mod Note:
@Chaosmancer and @Maxperson

Folks are starting to note to mods the fact that you two are locking horns in ways that are far from constructive. So, how about you unlock your horns, and leave each other alone for a bit? Thanks.

 

[Umbran]

And I corrected it...

Now, consider how it would position this differently if you said you expanded upon it, rather than correcting a thing that was correct, but not as broad as you'd have liked.

 

[Alzrius]

Now, consider how it would position this differently if you said you expanded upon it, rather than correcting a thing that was correct, but not as broad as you'd have liked.

Well, that's a difference in personal opinion. I consider instances of anti-inclusive sentiment (even when inadvertent) something to be corrected (or perhaps I should say it's a teachable moment), but I suppose others might not agree.

 

[seebs]

I note that there's lots of content that's common in D&D games, like "violence", or "slavery", that many people are very upset about, but we include it because... it's sort of the premise of the game? And for instance, I suspect comparable numbers of people are distressed by demons and devils to any of the other upsetting things, but we tend to include them as enemies anyway. Very few people are bothered by consensual sex between adults, but we essentially have none of it in the core game.

The rules about which kinds of things we include in the core game, and how, are actually really complex! There's a lot of different kinds of "upset" or "uncomfortable", and sometimes they overlap, and some of them are somewhat cultural -- look at how, in the US, we consider gory murder much more acceptable for children to see than people making out, and a significant portion of our population thinks that people of the same sex holding hands is bad enough that threats of violence are a reasonable response to a risk that children could see it depicted.

So trying to come up with a simple rule or explanation is probably doomed. It's not gonna be simple.

 

[darjr]

Elon musk got booed so bad at Daves show that they cut it short and left the stage.
Dave tried really hard to disparage his own fans trying to kiss elons peach pit.

Then Elon comes to twitter and “boo-urns” and “technically” the booing to finish it off with “must be leftists”.

At Daves show? Yea sure.

Then he gets ratioed for it.

 

[Vaalingrade]

It's like watching a prat fall down an escalator.

 

[Willie the Duck]

It's like watching a prat fall down an escalator.

Escalator? It's like watching someone trip over a painted line.