The OGL: Why is this really happening, and what to do now...

[dave2008]

the change in wording may be minor, but given the large impact I am not sure we get that

we will see. They have committed to give results on 2/17. When we get those and then a response to those we will know how this is going.

 

[dave2008]

I just don't know how to engage with this attitude. WotC made a promise, kept it for 20 years, then abruptly decided they could tear it down. Is it just pragmatism, assuming that's a fait accompli and all we can do is get some smaller concession now? Even in that case, why would we not start with our preferred arrangement of the previous status quo and let them wear us down?

More significantly though, I feel betrayed and angry, and I don't know why I shouldn't demand that would be remedied and apologized for, in whatever form that takes. This is not a situation two parties with conflicting goals both showed up to and now have to negotiate the best compromise. We had an agreement, one side has acted in bad faith, and I want them to stop and ideally show remorse.

I felt betrayed and angry too. But all the calls to burn it all down have shifted my stance a bit. I don't want to burn it down and will hold off on that as long as I can. If things don't get correct, as I said in the post you quoted, then go ahead an burn it all down. Is that really so hard to understand?

 

[Scribe]

I don't need faith, I can see with my own eyes and make a decision when it is finalized. It is happening right now, it is under a "playtest." If they don't get there, fine. I am just not going to jump to conclusions because of previous errors and I will always hope for the best.

Fair enough. They have already proven who they are, but fair enough.

 

[mamba]

I think that is not differentiated enough for me. WotC is an "it".
I use "they" for people.

The leaks show that at least someone at "wotc" was not ok with all that happening.

and the actions show that they have no say in this, what difference does that make anyway, what matters is the outcome.

If 3 people break into my house and then argue whether to shoot me, if one of them does that is enough

So we are basically back to ‘we cannot boycott WotC because there are also some decent people working there’, which earlier you denied

 

[mamba]

It is like you are not even reading what I wrote. Not seeing the point of continuing.

what because you hope? Well, I simply am not as optimistic

 

[UngeheuerLich]

and the actions show that they have no say in this, what difference does that make anyway, what matters is the outcome.

If 3 people break into my house and then argue whether to shoot me, if one if them does that is enough

Ok... I don't think this comparison works.

It is rather: 4 people go on a ride. And the driver suddenly tries to shoot you.
But 1 of them warns you and at the same time distracts him, so the driver shoots himself in the foot.
So do you hold the other three accountable for the attempt to shoot you? Are they guilty by association?

Or will you be happy, that 3 people are innocent, one of them a hero and happily go on a ride with them after the one who shot himself is thrown out?

 

[mamba]

Also, if OGL 1.0(a) is upheld in court (which I think it would), it could invalidate OGL 1.2 if it include the deauthorization.

it would make it obsolete because no one would use it

 

[mamba]

Ok... I don't think this comparison works.

It is rather: 4 people go on a ride. And the driver suddenly tries to shoot you.
But 1 of them warns you and at the same time distracts him, so the driver shoots himself in the foot.
So do you hold the other three accountable for the attempt to shoot you? Are they guilty by association?

I am not sure yours is better, we do not know that it was WotC that leaked.

As to shooting themselves in the foot. No, they still get away with their robbery, they still managed to shoot me, I just survived. They are no worse off under 1.2, which is what your scenario implies, the community is

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I am not sure yours is better, we do not know that it was WotC that leaked.

As to shooting themselves in the foot. No, they still get away with their robbery, they still managed to shoot me, I just survived. They are no worse off under 1.2, which is what your scenario implies, the community is

Oh. Right now that is unclear. What is certain is that they shot themselves in the foot. The collateral damage is yet to be determined.
It might range from some delays (as OGL 1.0b just add irrevocable soon, which is probably unlikely), to lethal damage, if OGL 1.1 in disguise takes effect.

This is the only thing I imply. The dice are thrown, and have not yet landed. It is still time to nudge them for an amenable outcome and get out of a lose-lose situation what any war might bring.

 

[mamba]

What is certain is that they shot themselves in the foot.

what is certain is that it was not a clean heist, to stay in the analogy. At this point they still got away with a lot of stuff and shot me (not lethally), but are themselves unharmed, apart from a few scratches

The collateral damage is yet to be determined.
It might range from some delays (as OGL 1.0b just add irrevocable soon, which is probably unlikely), to lethal damage, if OGL 1.1 in disguise takes effect.

lethal? As in D&D stops selling and WotC shelves it? Not seeing that at all

This is the only thing I imply. The dice are thrown, and have not yet landed. It is still time to nudge them for an amenable outcome and get out of a lose-lose situation what any war might bring.

so far it is a win-lose, just not as drastically as it started out