It is time to forgive WOTC and get back onboard.

[UngeheuerLich]

I feel that this is exactly the situation we don't want, because that's what led to all this hubbub to begin with. And I don't just direct that sentiment at D&D--I personally don't think there should be any one single King of the Hill in the RPG world.

Please speak for yourself. I want OneD&D to be the best D&D.

I think with a big D&D other RPGs can grow under the big tent.

 

[Imaro]

Wow. This is whitewashing the whole debacle pretty hard.
They did more than "contemplate" and "consider".
To say otherwise is disingenuous.

What did they actually do? What actually changed?

 

[BrokenTwin]

As a suggestion don’t wait a week or two. If you want to see another D&D movie or tv show in your lifetime this needs to be a huge success. Best way to do that is build buzz early with big box office numbers.

Eh, the failure of a D&D movie isn't going to spell the end of action fantasy movies. Nobody other than Hasbo NEEDS this movie to succeed.

What did they actually do? What actually changed?

They didn't contemplate and consider, they attempted and failed, causing a lot of independent publishers (some of whom have nothing to do with the d20 fantasy environment) considerable duress in doing so.

 

[Imaro]

They didn't contemplate and consider, they attempted and failed, causing a lot of independent publishers (some of whom have nothing to do with the d20 fantasy environment) considerable duress in doing so.

So they didn't actually "do" anything. They contemplated and considered how to accomplish something but failed which is my point...

Edit: To clarify, IMO an attempt would have settled the question one way or another if the 1.oa OGL is revocable.

 

[ThorinTeague]

As a suggestion don’t wait a week or two. If you want to see another D&D movie or tv show in your lifetime this needs to be a huge success. Best way to do that is build buzz early with big box office numbers.

For those of us who have already seen the 2 that came before it (bloody hell, just looked it up and found 3 more direct to video D&D films--just in case the others weren't bad enough), we're not really worried about more being made. There is so much other fantasy that is far far better in film these days. And the days of yore, too.

 

[Bix and Box]

What did they actually do? What actually changed?

Like I already said elsewhere, if someone tries to rob a bank and is stopped, should we completely forget what they were attempting, just because we stopped them?

What would have happened if we didn't stop WotC, and they got everything they wanted?

Do you think they've stopped wanting it?

 

[ThrorII]

While WotC has made some key steps just to repair completely avoidable damage, they have in no way earned goodwill or trust yet. That's a long road to walk, and they shouldn't expect most customers who left to return any time soon.

That said, I hope people who were planning on returning if this event happened are able to have a good time with their DnD stuff.

As for everyone else who took this experience as the push they needed to try other TTRPGs, I really hope that they don't come directly back. There's nothing wrong with playing DnD again, of course, but there are so many other experiences to be had with other systems—many of these players might have far more fun moving away from DnD.

I haven't played WotC D&D at all since 2020, and only played sporadically since 2018. I was angry with them over the OGL and 3PPs. I find 3PPs and OGL material much more creative and usable than anything WotC D&D puts out.

I am not currently a WotC customer, am not part of their target audience, and wasn't planning on being one. I just want my hobby safe and prosperous.

Don't get me wrong, I still play D&D. I just don't play WotC D&D.

 

[Imaro]

Like I already said elsewhere, if someone tries to rob a bank and is stopped, should we completely forget what they were attempting, just because we stopped them?

Apples and oranges... one is illegal while the legality of the other isn't decided... try comparing like and like.

What would have happened if we didn't stop WotC, and they got everything they wanted?

Uhmm, you're answering your own hypothetical here...They get everything they want?? But they didn't...

Do you think they've stopped wanting it?

Does it matter since they didn't get it? Why are we debating hypotheticals and unknowable questions??

 

[Dustin_00]

They can go bananas with any new ogl as much as they want. They can demand 3pps firstborn child to the fifth generation. They can demand tribute brought to them in a golden chest and laid at their feet while they're being fed grapes and fanned with palm leaves.

What they cannot do is disallow use of any prior version.

It's not a question of what they could win/prove in court.

WotC can throw their legal team against a 3PP that is 5 states over from where they file in Washington state and had $100s in sales with no legal support. WotC can win by default with the 3PP just not showing up in the Washington state court as just the travel and related expenses would destroy their profits... and heaven help you if you lost because now you're paying WotC for their lawyers.

 

[jerryrice4949]

For those of us who have already seen the 2 that came before it (bloody hell, just looked it up and found 3 more direct to video D&D films--just in case the others weren't bad enough), we're not really worried about more being made. There is so much other fantasy that is far far better in film these days. And the days of yore, too.

I realize you are trying to be humerous . Yup there were several before that stunk. That is why this needs to do well. The D&D movie doing well will bring more people and creators to the hobby. There is a lot of great fantasy on tv right now and some awful but none of that will grow this hobby like a blockbuster D&D movie.