WotC WotC general D&D survey just went live.

[Lanefan]

Roll20. Fantasy Grounds. D&D Beyond. And once upon a time d20 Pro.

All of those have WotC digital products that are not in PDF file format. All of them have digital products that you can purchase as products. Do I really need to link you to the stores?

Can you truly purchase them, though, to actually own; or just rent them for as long as the site stays up and-or is willing to host the material?

Renting is not purchasing.

 

[Mistwell]

Can you truly purchase them, though, to actually own;

Yes. This question has been asked and discussed extensively for years now. There are multiple ways to do this.

But you can even turn them into PDFs on your computer, if you want. It takes more time than it should but it's not that hard.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yes. This question has been asked and discussed extensively for years now. There are multiple ways to do this.

But you can even turn them into PDFs on your computer, if you want. It takes more time than it should but it's not that hard.

None of that makes the actual product owned. That's all after market stuff.

 

[BrokenTwin]

Can you truly purchase them, though, to actually own; or just rent them for as long as the site stays up and-or is willing to host the material?

Renting is not purchasing.

Yeah, I've already got enough of that rental/subscription/in-app-purchasing bollocks infecting my video gaming, I don't need it here, too. Same reason I keep an offline backup of all of my PDF purchases.

 

[LordEntrails]

You can say not all digital is PDF, but all PDFs are still digital, and it still is the only thing sold on DTRPG, which was one of the sites given.

DDB was also on the survey. Fantasy Grounds was also on the survey. You are picking and choosing facts to support an irrelevant point.

the fact that some of the sites mentioned in the survey only sell PDFs, which makes pointing out that not everything digital is PDF to someone who is wondering which PDFs WotC is selling miss the whole point

And some site mentioned on the survey only sell proprietary (non-PDF) format versions of the product.

None of that makes the actual product owned. That's all after market stuff.

Huh?

How do I not "own" a product if it resides on my computer? It can not (legally) be removed from my possession by anyone but me. I'm not referring to DDB, I'm referring to FG versions of products. This ability to own, to permanently have access to and control, with the legal right to re-download from the vendor in perpetuity is one reason I chose FG.

 

[Micah Sweet]

DDB was also on the survey. Fantasy Grounds was also on the survey. You are picking and choosing facts to support an irrelevant point.

And some site mentioned on the survey only sell proprietary (non-PDF) format versions of the product.

Huh?

How do I not "own" a product if it resides on my computer? It can not (legally) be removed from my possession by anyone but me. I'm not referring to DDB, I'm referring to FG versions of products. This ability to own, to permanently have access to and control, with the legal right to re-download from the vendor in perpetuity is one reason I chose FG.

OK, fair enough. I don't use VTT so it doesn't enter into my analysis. Like I said, PDF is the only digital I care about.

 

[mamba]

was also on the survey. Fantasy Grounds was also on the survey. You are picking and choosing facts to support an irrelevant point.

no, it is you who keeps missing the point. Your answer to ‘is WotC selling PDFs’ was ‘digital is not PDF’, but there were sites on the survey that sell PDFs only, so clearly for them to be included, there have to be PDFs, and only PDFs, that are relevant to the survey

Your ‘digital is not PDF’ explains why Fantasy Grounds is on it (which no one was asking…) but not why DTRPG is (which is what was being asked)…

 

[LordEntrails]

no, it is you who keeps missing the point. Your answer to ‘is WotC selling PDFs’ was ‘digital is not PDF’, but there were sites on the survey that sell PDFs only, so clearly for them to be included, there have to be PDFs, and only PDFs, that are relevant to the survey

Your ‘digital is not PDF’ explains why Fantasy Grounds is on it (which no one was asking…) but not why DTRPG is (which is what was being asked)…

Sorry, the original question was not 'WotC is selling PDFs' Why don't you go see the original post; WotC - WotC general D&D survey just went live.

 

[mamba]

Sorry, the original question was not 'WotC is selling PDFs' Why don't you go see the original post; WotC - WotC general D&D survey just went live.

It literally was 'You can't buy digital versions of official fifth edition D&D books on DMsguild or Drivethru', and since those only sell PDFs your reply that 'digital does not mean PDF' is entirely pointless. Admittedly I paraphrased it as 'WotC PDFs', which is what it means after all, the original is just longer...

We can argue DMsG as they also sell some stuff for Fantasy Grounds and recently Roll20 (not official books though), but that still leaves DTRPG...

 

[LordEntrails]

and since those only sell PDFs

They don't only sell PDFs.
Go to Search selection on the left and for the format and chose Virtual Table Top...
WotC used to sell their FG products there. But it appears they no longer do. But other publishers sell FG, Roll20, and Foundry products you can find with that search.