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[Parmandur]

That's overstating things a wee bit.

First off, it wasn't three years, it was a year and nine months. PHB 1 was Jun '08, PHB 2 was Mar '09, and PHB 3 was Mar '10. Secondly, of the 3E "core races", Human, Elf, Dwarf, Halfling, and Half-Elf were all in PHB 1, and Gnome and Half-Orc were in PHB 2 nine months later. And for 3E's "core classes"... Cleric, Paladin, Fighter, Rogue, Ranger, and Wizard were in PHB 1, and Barbarian, Druid, Bard, and Sorcerer were released 9 months later. Monk was the only 3E core race or class that was held off until PHB 3 21 months later when the Psionic power source appeared.

2008, 2009, and 2010 are three separate years. Half-Orcs, Gnomes, Barbarians, Bardstown, Sorcerers, Druids, and Monks are just as core as anything in the PHB 1. You may think it is an overreaction, but for me thus whole business model tucked male off and was key to me not buying or reading anything in 4E past the gimped PHB 1.

 

[DEFCON 1]

2008, 2009, and 2010 are three separate years. Half-Orcs, Gnomes, Barbarians, Bardstown, Sorcerers, Druids, and Monks are just as core as anything in the PHB 1. You may think it is an overreaction, but for me thus whole business model tucked male off and was key to me not buying or reading anything in 4E past the gimped PHB 1.

Well, that's fine. I mean I can understand the annoyance... but it's all a matter of perspective. 4E gave us 24 classes and 17 races in just 21 months... whereas we didn't get our first splatbook of player options for 5E more than THREE YEARS following the release of the Player's Handbook.

If you were bothered by 4E's release schedule that's your prerogative... but no one can say WotC didn't skimp on the players on just a short amount of time.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Yeah, the times I've played Dragonlance, the DM's pretty much explicitly said their opinion of Tinker Gnomes was about the same as Kender. So they were not available as options.

Too bad. Its a solid niche in a setting that allows for such things.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Well, that's fine. I mean I can understand the annoyance... but it's all a matter of perspective. 4E gave us 24 classes and 17 races in just 21 months... whereas we didn't get our first splatbook of player options for 5E more than THREE YEARS following the release of the Player's Handbook.

If you were bothered by 4E's release schedule that's your prerogative... but no one can say WotC didn't skimp on the players on just a short amount of time.

To be fair, I was never happy with 5e's release schedule either. 3e and especially 2e were my preference. At least with the explosion of 3pp now we can approximate that kind of thing (more so, actually).

 

[Parmandur]

Well, that's fine. I mean I can understand the annoyance... but it's all a matter of perspective. 4E gave us 24 classes and 17 races in just 21 months... whereas we didn't get our first splatbook of player options for 5E more than THREE YEARS following the release of the Player's Handbook.

If you were bothered by 4E's release schedule that's your prerogative... but no one can say WotC didn't skimp on the players on just a short amount of time.

5E got all the core options published in one single day, in one single year. Settings, Xanathar's and Tasha's added non-essential bits and Bob's, not core bits of the game. The 5E PHB is a final and complete game, by design. And I appreciate that...so I bought way more 5E product.

 

[DEFCON 1]

To be fair, I was never happy with 5e's release schedule either. 3e and especially 2e were my preference. At least with the explosion of 3pp now we can approximate that kind of thing (more so, actually).

Heh, you weren't the only one. Most of 2014 and 2015 was spent listening to a bunch of posters here on EN World declaring that 5E was going to die a quick death because WotC refused to indicate just when the first splatbook of player options was going to be released.

Needless to say... their doom and gloom about the viability of the edition proved to be a tad incorrect.

 

[DEFCON 1]

5E got all the core options published in one single day...

The Warlord stans would probably disagree with you here...

 

[Micah Sweet]

Heh, you weren't the only one. Most of 2014 and 2015 was spent listening to a bunch of posters here on EN World declaring that 5E was going to die a quick death because WotC refused to indicate just when the first splatbook of player options was going to be released.

Needless to say... their doom and gloom about the viability of the edition proved to be a tad incorrect.

For my part, that continued popularity was largely due to third party support, but I can't disagree with you.

 

[Parmandur]

The Warlord stans would probably disagree with you here...

What, both of them...?

 

[DEFCON 1]

What, both of them...?

Yep. Two Warlord fans and a trio of people who are waiting for psionics. That is EXACTLY correct.