D&D (2024) Jeremy Crawford Gives an Overview of the New Unearthed Arcana

The upcoming Unearthed Arcana playtest packet for One D&D gets a preview from WotC's Jeremy Crawford. This is apparently the largest of these playtest packets so far, and the biggest Unearthed Arcana they have ever done, at 50 pages long.

It contains 5 classes, new spells, new feats, a revised rules glossary, and the new weapon mastery system.

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[Mistwell]

What you said earlier:

No, to be honest I don't think they can win. Too many misteps at this point...

What you're saying now:

Nice to know it's impossible to have legitimate concerns when a game announces significant changes to an existing game line. Instead, it's all bad actors and "poisoning the well", and only those who are happy with what's happening are legit.

So ler's be clear. You have established a position here that you are so disappointed in WOTC that you literally think they can do no right anymore. You will characterize any choice they make as the wrong choice (and have done so for months now here). And in that context you're now complaining that you're being picked on for having "legitimate concerns?"

Yes Micah, you already told us you're a bad actor and poisoning the well. You basically said "watch me pour this poison into the well everyone!" So while it's certainly possible for people who have not done that to have legitimate concerns about the playtest and many have, you kind of lost the right to complain about not being taken in that light by telling us up front you're intentionally going to bash WOTC for any choice they make right now.

 

[Micah Sweet]

What you said earlier:



What you're saying now:



So ler's be clear. You have established a position here that you are so disappointed in WOTC that you literally think they can do no right anymore. You will characterize any choice they make as the wrong choice (and have done so for months now here). And in that context you're now complaining that you're being picked on for having "legitimate concerns?"

Yes Micah, you already told us you're a bad actor and poisoning the well. You basically said "watch me pour this poison into the well everyone!" So while it's certainly possible for people who have not done that to have legitimate concerns about the playtest and many have, you kind of lost the right to complain about not being taken in that light by telling us up front you're intentionally going to bash WOTC for any choice they make right now.

The misteps WotC has made have nothing to do with my feelings. They are, in fact public record. My opinion is that they probably won't be able to come back from that. I could be wrong, but even if I am, my thoughts then don't invalidate my opinions about the forthcoming core books.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

You have established a position here that you are so disappointed in WOTC that you literally think they can do no right anymore. You will characterize any choice they make as the wrong choice (and have done so for months now here).

Mod Note:

Having established via quotation the poster’s contradictory positions, you probably could have concluded with this observation and not continued like a TV show attorney going in for the kill. I understand the temptation to do so and have succumbed to it myself.

Unfortunately, it’s a posting style that can unnecessarily stir the pot, and may carry over into future threads.

Just…dial it down a bit.

 

[mamba]

The misteps WotC has made have nothing to do with my feelings. They are, in fact public record. My opinion is that they probably won't be able to come back from that. I could be wrong, but even if I am, my thoughts then don't invalidate my opinions about the forthcoming core books.

what missteps? The OGL, Pinkertons and now the price increase? Am I missing any?

The OGL was the biggest of those by far, and while they definitely lost some people because of it, they acted swiftly and decisively enough to prevent this from turning into an all-out disaster.

That too is part of the public record.

I am pretty sure they have already come back / not given enough ground for this to be noticeable. I guess we will see over the next years.

While the missteps might have nothing to do with your feelings, how you view them very much does.

 

[Remathilis]

And this has always been the goal of the edition warrior. You don’t need to convince anyone. You just have to poison the well of conversation to the point where WotC will do what you want just to shut you up.

It certainly worked going from 3e to 4e and then 4e to 5e. Make the thing you personally don’t like such a toxic subject that only the things you don’t mind get talked about in the future.

Without psychoanalyzing any or all posters (there are too many of them to fit into a single box) I find the sort of rhetoric being used is primarily used for point scoring rather than actual discussion. We're all guilty of this from time to time. But it's the same posters trying to score the same points thread after thread despite how well worn that point has been hashed out that saps the will.

It doesn't matter what WotC will call the new books right now. The current playtest has a moniker and it's OneD&D. We can use that to discuss the different versions for now and in 2024 they will be the new ruleset for D&D. The rest is a pointless semantics debate on what constitutes an edition or what the definition of "compatible" entails. We can discuss whether the change to wild shape is good or bad and how to make it better, but to rehash how it's different from the old druid and whether that makes it a new edition or a .5 edition or even 5e at all just allows people to camp up in their bunkers and take pot shots at each other.

So I guess I'm asking for that to take a break. Because the amount of arguing that revolves around putting the rules into some neat little box with a label isn't doing anything but what WotC was trying to avoid in the first place: splitting the fan base.

 

[mamba]

So I guess I'm asking for that to take a break. Because the amount of arguing that revolves around putting the rules into some neat little box with a label isn't doing anything but what WotC was trying to avoid in the first place: splitting the fan base.

At this point I am moving to 2024 only, just to get away from those whining about it being a new edition

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

What's particularly funny about that is "ah-LAD-inn" is not really how that name should be pronounced. It's closer to Allah-DEEN.

Meanwhile, the class is PAL-ah-din.

...But now you have me wanting to pronounce it "Pallah-DEEN" just to be difficult!

I thought it was pronounced Paula-DEEN.

Because Paladins are buttery and a little rac ... weirdly hidebound in their beliefs.

 

[HammerMan]

except In this case, you can just use the two options together, because it’s the same game.

Funny how as many people think that the 2024 class or fear or spell is a replacement as think it is a new option you can use either and some (maybe not you) think it’s both depending on what makes the “it’s not a true edition break” argument better at the time.

 

[HammerMan]

Except you can just…use either one. None of it causes problems with Xanathar’s or Tasha’s, or running any published adventures, etc.

What about subclasses that reference old bard inspire? Or even just ones that don’t have enough sun class spaces?

You can use them together. Anything that isn’t obvious like using 2014 and 2024 classes side by side, or using a class from one with the subclass from another, or resolving your stat bumps at level 1, they will hopefully make clear in the A2024 PHB.

 

[HammerMan]

Without psychoanalyzing any or all posters (there are too many of them to fit into a single box) I find the sort of rhetoric being used is primarily used for point scoring rather than actual discussion. We're all guilty of this from time to time. But it's the same posters trying to score the same points thread after thread despite how well worn that point has been hashed out that saps the will.

How many points do you get for insulting people by claiming they are going for points?