I don't think ofbthese games as RPGs in the "playing a character" sense, so cheese is fine with me. My goal is to ruin my main's life. That's why I made him deal with the hag.
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D&D General BG3 Massive Spoiler Thread
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If you really don't mind a bit of cheese then the bosses become easy, especially if you don't mind losing out on their items. So if you can't beat Minthara or Dror "traditionally," then
Minthara: go through the dialogue set saying you're going to sell out the druid grove. She gets excited and walk off. As she's walking on the bridge shoot out the bridge support pillar (you can find it with a bit of targeting) she falls and no more Minthara.
Dror: as he's speechifying, walk up to him and push him into the pit, no more Dror. You can do it while invisible for a chance of not setting off the camp.
Dror: as he's speechifying, walk up to him and push him into the pit, no more Dror. You can do it while invisible for a chance of not setting off the camp.
If you want the loot, you can also steal all the barrels from the nearby explosive room and line the main hallway with them. Nothing suspicious, you're a True Soul and just getting ready for the raid, right? Minthara gathers up all the goblins, makes her speech, and BOOOOOOOM!
Depending on how you cover your tracks, it can aggro everybody or nobody. You get the loot, and it kinda fits the story! [https://i.pinimg.com/564x/5f/82/34/5f8234166a66d144cbfb70213b74c461.jpg.
Depending on how you cover your tracks, it can aggro everybody or nobody. You get the loot, and it kinda fits the story! [https://i.pinimg.com/564x/5f/82/34/5f8234166a66d144cbfb70213b74c461.jpg.
MarkB
Legend
My advice is don't sweat it too much. Through some resting and fast-travel choices that didn't seem they would be impactful at the time, I never got to meet Nere until he was dead and the entire Grymforge had cleared out, and it left me casting around for ages thinking I'd missed something about how to progress to the next region safely.
I hadn't.
Scribe
Legend
Well thats good to know I guess. I keep worrying I'm missing stuff.
This IS an early game spoiler. Strictly Act 1 though:
Pretty soon you'll have a dream sequence in Act 1 that explains the Shadow Tadpoles are NOT transforming people into Illithids right away. They are sitting in heads discreetly controlling people, including not letting them realize they have a tadpole in their head. The Absolute has invented infiltration tadpoles.
The implication is that the Artifact is preventing the Shadow Tadpole from actually controlling your mind, which makes your group (generally) the only people who realize the control is being done by tadpoles.
The implication is that the Artifact is preventing the Shadow Tadpole from actually controlling your mind, which makes your group (generally) the only people who realize the control is being done by tadpoles.
Ruin Explorer
Legend
He gets completely owned by bludgeoning damage. Just equip your melees (or throwers) with big hammers and he's toast. You don't even need to use the forge hammer trick. He didn't even get to the end of round three with me.
The other fight you mention is extremely annoying but CC spells can be very effective. Watch out though, for some reason Isobel seems to get hit by spells that are supposed to only hit enemies, like Fear.
As people have pointed out, most of the fights can be made easier.
There's also an entire other "approach vector" to the goblin area.
Instead of going in the front, go up and to the left when outside, and you'll find a bunch of drunk, sleeping hobgoblins and goblins. Be careful and don't wake them (so don't like, jump near them), and you'll find a damaged, breakable wall. To smash that wall takes bludgeoning damage and it's loud so will wake the goblins if you're not careful. You can either talk them down, or use a Silence spell on the area to avoid the sound (the game is fairly well-coded about understanding Silence, I note).
You are then inside the temple, but up on the rafters, which are literally 30ft up, and you can basically avoid the vast majority of the temple if you want, and even steal most of the good loot so long as you have a good jumper (high STR, so Lae'zel or Karlach) who can jump down and shove stuff into their pockets or send to camp. You will need a box or two at one point if you have any STR 8 characters to jump up, but a high STR character can easily find some about the place.
I went this way and did the Dror Ragzlin fight first. I had Lae'zel and Karlach pick up some of the smokepowder barrels from a back room I found, and we stood in the rafters above him, and just hurled them down on him - I didn't manage to stop the alarm - if you're smarter than me just destroy the drum first. Anyway extremely heavy barrels plus violent explosions as they hit naked flames = dead hobgoblin. Plus if throw say, a spear down 30ft/10m, you get a +13 to damage on top of other bonuses, and there's a large chance the enemy is prone'd. Goblins get up there, Karlach or Lae'zel can easily just click throw on them and send them back down at their friends, potentially killing two goblins with one throw. Other enemies can be punted off highly effectively too. You will experience some archers etc, but they have penalties (you're in the dark, up from them, and often out of range of their Darkvision), so throw weapons down at them and they get splattered.
I don't even know how the fight is supposed to go because I've only ever done it this way.
Once he's done, Minthara is nearby and relatively easy to deal with, I found. She used to get kicked into the lava or the bridge she crosses got destroyed but now she's smarter and uses Misty Step to get to you, generally avoiding that. So then you have the most challenging fight from this angle, with some kind of goblin caster in her little throne room thing (Priestess Gut?) and a bazillion allies. Best thing you can do is trigger the fight from the side of the spider pit distant to her (closer to Dror Ragzlin's room), and then make the goblins come to you. EIther that or if you have smokepowder left, sneak someone up to behind her with it, drop it off, and detonate it.
Make sure you don't go out the front door after that though, because oh my god that will not go well.
You are then inside the temple, but up on the rafters, which are literally 30ft up, and you can basically avoid the vast majority of the temple if you want, and even steal most of the good loot so long as you have a good jumper (high STR, so Lae'zel or Karlach) who can jump down and shove stuff into their pockets or send to camp. You will need a box or two at one point if you have any STR 8 characters to jump up, but a high STR character can easily find some about the place.
I went this way and did the Dror Ragzlin fight first. I had Lae'zel and Karlach pick up some of the smokepowder barrels from a back room I found, and we stood in the rafters above him, and just hurled them down on him - I didn't manage to stop the alarm - if you're smarter than me just destroy the drum first. Anyway extremely heavy barrels plus violent explosions as they hit naked flames = dead hobgoblin. Plus if throw say, a spear down 30ft/10m, you get a +13 to damage on top of other bonuses, and there's a large chance the enemy is prone'd. Goblins get up there, Karlach or Lae'zel can easily just click throw on them and send them back down at their friends, potentially killing two goblins with one throw. Other enemies can be punted off highly effectively too. You will experience some archers etc, but they have penalties (you're in the dark, up from them, and often out of range of their Darkvision), so throw weapons down at them and they get splattered.
I don't even know how the fight is supposed to go because I've only ever done it this way.
Once he's done, Minthara is nearby and relatively easy to deal with, I found. She used to get kicked into the lava or the bridge she crosses got destroyed but now she's smarter and uses Misty Step to get to you, generally avoiding that. So then you have the most challenging fight from this angle, with some kind of goblin caster in her little throne room thing (Priestess Gut?) and a bazillion allies. Best thing you can do is trigger the fight from the side of the spider pit distant to her (closer to Dror Ragzlin's room), and then make the goblins come to you. EIther that or if you have smokepowder left, sneak someone up to behind her with it, drop it off, and detonate it.
Make sure you don't go out the front door after that though, because oh my god that will not go well.
My favourite boss fight so far was one where I killed the main boss with my first two attacks by using Mobile Flourish on my Swords Bard. If you hit, they're knocked back for 6m, period, no saves, no Athletics check, no nonsense. Just hit or not. One took him close to the edge, the other straight over it. Goodbye dude! I later read people had been banging their heads on that fight for multiple hours.
EDIT - Also I should thank whoever it was who was considering Swords Bard because I wouldn't even have thought twice before picking Lore otherwise, like I wouldn't have even looked properly at the Flourishes. But the moment I looked in the PHB a couple of weeks or whatever ago and saw how the Flourishes worked I was like "OH REALLY" and then what we got in-game was even better than that overall (it's a lot easier to waste them, because they're not "on hit" anymore, they don't upgrade with improved Inspiration dice for whatever reason, and Defensive Flourish is just worse - fixed at 4 AC and you don't get it if you miss even though you expend the Inspiration, but Mobile and Slashing are just a lot more powerful to make up for it)
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Ruin Explorer
Legend
Those are dastardly I love them. Does your character have a waxed mustache?
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