Ahsoka - SPOILERS

[pukunui]

But that's reality, in space fantasy we want our heroes to triumph, to do better than those before them. When our heroic trio defeated the empire we are left with a "happily ever after" feeling. Unfortunately in pushing the story into the next generation they have setup the original heroes to fail to create a new threat. They didn't have to go that route, there were plenty of other ways to "threaten the galaxy" without the New Republic just failing from teh onset....but unfortunately that's what we have.

But yeah it sucks, you want your heroes to win....not to perform deeds that ultimately fail just a generation later.

This. I like much of what Disney Star Wars has produced, but the way they've gone about not giving our OT heroes a happy ending really sucks.

 

[RangerWickett]

This. I like much of what Disney Star Wars has produced, but the way they've gone about not giving our OT heroes a happy ending really sucks.

Exactly. I mean, if they'd done a twenty year time skip and had Luke's temple thriving, and the Republic having worked out the kinks . . . and then the plot was about the temptation of Ben Solo, that's where to start. Not with Luke gone, Leia and Han estranged, and everything breaking already.

Ugh.

 

[Zardnaar]

Sure. I just meant it was sad that the New Republic seems doomed to fail right from the start. They seem utterly incompetent, and there are Imperial loyalists undermining them left, right, and center. It's no wonder they were unable to halt the rise of the First Order.


I mentioned this upthread, but I think Baylan implied that Sabine had a falling out with Ahsoka because she refused to let Sabine go help defend Mandalore. Sabine feels survivor's guilt because she is alive but her parents and brother are all dead. According to Baylan, she also feels like her presence would have made the difference. That's enough to make a headstrong pupil resentful towards their master.


She did show some emotion as her younger self in the Clone Wars dream sequences. And she seemed joyful after communing with the purrgil.



Yeah, that's what I said upthread. It may not have been the actual World Between Worlds. Just a callback to it via a near death experience.


Exactly! That's what I meant by it's sad. Like, what was the point of all the struggle to defeat the Empire if the result is just a clown show that lasts maybe 30 years before everything falls apart again?

Well its consistent with their new canon. But really undermined later they probably don't gave to do that now it's 15-20 years in the future.

What I think they're doing is trying to paint themselves out of the corner.

There's always been a few rogue imperials in New canon they don't really have enough stuff to do much. I'm sure Thrawn finds an appropriate fleet somewhere.

Legends Thrawn had about 25% of the old empire to work with. The imperial remnants here are more an insurgency.

 

[Zardnaar]

Exactly. I mean, if they'd done a twenty year time skip and had Luke's temple thriving, and the Republic having worked out the kinks . . . and then the plot was about the temptation of Ben Solo, that's where to start. Not with Luke gone, Leia and Han estranged, and everything breaking already.

Ugh.

Something similar to my idea. Basically Reys Luke's star pupil the new Empire or other threat seizes Coruscant in the first or second movie.

Hell probably just use Thrawn coming in with TIE defenders and smaller cruisers with rlite troops that can engage Jedi.

 

[Hussar]

Again, kinda damned if you do.

Time skip and the Republic is thriving, get slammed for being totally unrealistic. CF Star Trek. Actually being somewhat realistic in that the New Republic is hopelessly unqualified to run an actual government, and get slammed for not giving our OT heroes a happy ending.

Either way, someone's going to bitch about it. Might as well pick a lane and stick to it.

Then again, it totally didn't bother me that the OT heroes didn't have a happy ending. I never thought that they would. Heck, even in the Expanded Universe, they don't ever get a happy ending. One thing that these new shows - Obi-wan, Ahsoka etc - are doing is filling in the gaps in the Prequels and salvaging the stories there. I wonder if the later shows will do the same for the last three movies.

 

[Stalker0]

Again, kinda damned if you do.

Time skip and the Republic is thriving, get slammed for being totally unrealistic. CF Star Trek.

Why would do think the republic thriving is unrealistic? I mean our heroes are "the heroes", they beat the empire, and now set up a baller government. Again fantasy, our heroes got this.

Why would anyone think that's "unrealistic" for space fantasy?

 

[Zardnaar]

Again, kinda damned if you do.

Time skip and the Republic is thriving, get slammed for being totally unrealistic. CF Star Trek. Actually being somewhat realistic in that the New Republic is hopelessly unqualified to run an actual government, and get slammed for not giving our OT heroes a happy ending.

Either way, someone's going to bitch about it. Might as well pick a lane and stick to it.

Then again, it totally didn't bother me that the OT heroes didn't have a happy ending. I never thought that they would. Heck, even in the Expanded Universe, they don't ever get a happy ending. One thing that these new shows - Obi-wan, Ahsoka etc - are doing is filling in the gaps in the Prequels and salvaging the stories there. I wonder if the later shows will do the same for the last three movies.

EU had there wins though. Luke reestablishing thr Jedi for example. Han and Leia still together.

Kids and chewing ate the poo as they weren't allowed to kill off any main characters (they asked).

The Republic didn't last as such there but that was due to external forces more.

Empire ended up as the best faction.

 

[Hussar]

Why would do think the republic thriving is unrealistic? I mean our heroes are "the heroes", they beat the empire, and now set up a baller government. Again fantasy, our heroes got this.

Why would anyone think that's "unrealistic" for space fantasy?

Like fans need a reason?

 

[Zardnaar]

Like fans need a reason?

Doesn't bother me to much the basic idea is fine. Republic fails falls apart.

Mostly just down to the execution. They're pushing it arguably to hard. We know the Republic falls already (sequel trilogy).

Hell I havent spent a dime on the new Disney EU cannon and even I know how.

That's on top of it being derivative they're just rehashing Lucas basic plot line.

Think about it. Imperialism loyalists, dark Jedi, military vessel attacked, someone stealing engines, inquisitor spotted and the government response "nothing to see here".

It's gone beyond incompetence to immersion breaking clown shoes territory. It doesn't detract from my enjoyment but it is silly. We get it we're not stupid.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

The battles felt like they were on a stage and it felt like they were missing a special effect that the better movies and other scenes

They where memories, they where not meant to look real.