Ahsoka - SPOILERS

[Zardnaar]

They where memories, they where not meant to look real.

Yup looked like video game cutscene type flashbacks.

Deliberate choice though. Outside those flashbacks no combat as such this episode.

 

[Hussar]

That's on top of it being derivative they're just rehashing Lucas basic plot line.

Think about it. Imperialism loyalists, dark Jedi, military vessel attacked, someone stealing engines, inquisitor spotted and the government response "nothing to see here".

Errr... what? What Lucas basic plot line are you referring to?

The government response is pretty standard I would think. Zero evidence, a government that wants to bury the past as hard as it possibly can, and some general trying to justify her position by inventing enemies without any actual proof.

Yup, that seems pretty spot on to me. "Oh, yes, general, we're going to mobilize a bunch of ships to go off on a mission because ... you said so?" And to the point about being overkill to send three ships to bring Hera back. I would point out that a GENERAL just disobeyed a direct order, stole three ships, AND accompanied by a known Jedi (when we just spent the first several pages of this thread hashing out how dangerous a pair of Jedi are and should be treated as a credible threat to an entire cruiser). Three cruisers to bring her back? Yeah, that's about right.

 

[Zardnaar]

Errr... what? What Lucas basic plot line are you referring to?

The government response is pretty standard I would think. Zero evidence, a government that wants to bury the past as hard as it possibly can, and some general trying to justify her position by inventing enemies without any actual proof.

Yup, that seems pretty spot on to me. "Oh, yes, general, we're going to mobilize a bunch of ships to go off on a mission because ... you said so?" And to the point about being overkill to send three ships to bring Hera back. I would point out that a GENERAL just disobeyed a direct order, stole three ships, AND accompanied by a known Jedi (when we just spent the first several pages of this thread hashing out how dangerous a pair of Jedi are and should be treated as a credible threat to an entire cruiser). Three cruisers to bring her back? Yeah, that's about right.

Lucas Republic collapses becomes empire. Disney let's do it again.

How nany scenes have we had of the New Republic being stupid? 1 every episode or close to it.

Real life situation. Unknown assailants hijack USN frigate. They are caught on camera and identified as some group hostile to USA.

Workers in a boneyard get caught stealing spare parts from planes. There's a shoot out with someone yelling out "Long live XYZ death to America" in the office.

There's a further shootout in the yard.

A trusted general says I know who's doing it and where they're going. I've tracked their mobile phone.

And then they say na all good don't worry about it. The ship getting hijacked alone would probably result on missile strikes on the UK or something.

 

[MarkB]

Errr... what? What Lucas basic plot line are you referring to?

The government response is pretty standard I would think. Zero evidence, a government that wants to bury the past as hard as it possibly can, and some general trying to justify her position by inventing enemies without any actual proof.

Yup, that seems pretty spot on to me. "Oh, yes, general, we're going to mobilize a bunch of ships to go off on a mission because ... you said so?" And to the point about being overkill to send three ships to bring Hera back. I would point out that a GENERAL just disobeyed a direct order, stole three ships, AND accompanied by a known Jedi (when we just spent the first several pages of this thread hashing out how dangerous a pair of Jedi are and should be treated as a credible threat to an entire cruiser). Three cruisers to bring her back? Yeah, that's about right.

Also, it's not that they totally don't believe her, it's just that there's insufficient evidence. They know there's a risk that they're going into hostile territory, so going in force is advised.

 

[Hussar]

They are caught on camera and identified as some group hostile to USA.

They didn't "hijack a frigate". They freed a prisoner. It was a prison break. And, no one acted stupidly at all. The prison ship captain acted quite reasonably. Mythical Jedi don't exist as far as the universe is concerned.

Someone steals an engine. Ooo, be still my beating heart. Considering this is a setting with actual pirates hijacking all sorts of stuff - Hutts, the Syndicate, as in organized crime bosses that control entire planets, someone lifting an engine from a decomissioning site probably isn't all that big of a deal. And, I imagine, "Long Live the Empire" isn't a rare thing to hear.

See, the thing is, none of the Republic's actions are all that out of line. An engine being stolen and a prisoner being sprung isn't really enough justification to mobilize thousands of soldiers on a hunch. Again, priorities. Someone steals an engine. Who cares? They steal an Imperial Cruiser? Ok, fair enough, call out the troops. An engine?

Oh, and let's not forget, that this is a setting that's been in a constant state of devastating war for decades. As in entire planets have been destroyed (and in some cases very destroyed). They absolutely DON'T WANT to pick another fight.

People's idea of what is reasonable is really strange.

 

[Zardnaar]

They didn't "hijack a frigate". They freed a prisoner. It was a prison break. And, no one acted stupidly at all. The prison ship captain acted quite reasonably. Mythical Jedi don't exist as far as the universe is concerned.

Someone steals an engine. Ooo, be still my beating heart. Considering this is a setting with actual pirates hijacking all sorts of stuff - Hutts, the Syndicate, as in organized crime bosses that control entire planets, someone lifting an engine from a decomissioning site probably isn't all that big of a deal. And, I imagine, "Long Live the Empire" isn't a rare thing to hear.

See, the thing is, none of the Republic's actions are all that out of line. An engine being stolen and a prisoner being sprung isn't really enough justification to mobilize thousands of soldiers on a hunch. Again, priorities. Someone steals an engine. Who cares? They steal an Imperial Cruiser? Ok, fair enough, call out the troops. An engine?

Oh, and let's not forget, that this is a setting that's been in a constant state of devastating war for decades. As in entire planets have been destroyed (and in some cases very destroyed). They absolutely DON'T WANT to pick another fight.

People's idea of what is reasonable is really strange.

The Empire has surrendered in the new canon. Moff Gideon had a light cruiser, some troops and a few TIE interceptors.

The remnants are either weak as or they'll pull sone mysterious fleet conveniently out of storage.

There is an unaccounted Super Star Destroyer that last I heard was with the First Order that may be tied to the remnants.

As I said it's not so much the basic idea being bad but every episode is a bit over the top drumming into us how stupid the New Republic is.

We already know that and if you're a new viewer they only need to mention it once or twice.

50/50 I'm cheering for Thrawn at this rate. Depends if he's Villain Rebels Thrawn, anti hero Thrawn new canon or genius Thrawn old EU.

Also wouldn't be opposed to the Rebels characters willingly joining Thrawn in New galaxy. Their one sucks.

 

[Zaukrie]

Wow. I thought that episode was boring. Just goes to show everyone has different taste.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

They didn't "hijack a frigate". They freed a prisoner. It was a prison break. And, no one acted stupidly at all. The prison ship captain acted quite reasonably. Mythical Jedi don't exist as far as the universe is concerned.

It was more than just a prison break. The ship was wrecked afterwards, and several people (maybe even the entire crew, not clear right now, but definitely the commanding officer and several crew members) were killed. That is definitely something that would be worth pursuing.
Of course, even a mere prison break would be. We don't let escapees just run off and do their thing. Especially not if they murder people on the way out. (Hey, in Germany, it's technically legal to escape prison. It's however not legal to damage walls, beat up guards or prisoners, incite riots or murder someone). If neccessary, we would institute a special task force that is going on a manhunt.

Someone steals an engine. Ooo, be still my beating heart. Considering this is a setting with actual pirates hijacking all sorts of stuff - Hutts, the Syndicate, as in organized crime bosses that control entire planets, someone lifting an engine from a decomissioning site probably isn't all that big of a deal. And, I imagine, "Long Live the Empire" isn't a rare thing to hear.

They are stealing a super star destroyer engine that has very little applications, and they were doing that under the radar until Ashoka and Sabine went there. It would definitely warrant further investigatio. Even if they don't actually worry that some supervillain is going to come back and start a war, just for the need of having a justice system that people actually take serious the would need to investigate until they have exhausted all leads or apprehended the culprits and brought them to justice.

Maybe they can decide not to send a whole fleet, but if they can spare 3 cruisers to apprehend a General going against orders borrowing a few X-Wings and a light transport, they can certainly afford a special task force, say consisting of a few X-Wings and a light transport to investigate a bunch of murderers sabotaging Republican ships and stealing from the Republic.

Oh, and let's not forget, that this is a setting that's been in a constant state of devastating war for decades. As in entire planets have been destroyed (and in some cases very destroyed). They absolutely DON'T WANT to pick another fight.

Why not? The people to pursue are at least a bunch of murdering criminals that have no reason not to steal and murder again. Not pursuing them is going to bring more death and sabotage, and if the theories of their General and a former Jedi are true, even a future war. If they don't stop this kind of people, the Republic is failing as legitimiate authority in the galaxy. They don't keep the peace, they don't bring justice, they don't enforce laws, they don't care for their murdered citizens or their soldiers, they don't care for their property.

I guess it's really time to institute some kind of premier organization to establish order in a galaxy ruled by such an incompetent and corrupted regime.

 

[Zardnaar]

Some more thoughts. I think here's what people want/ are expecting.

The Thrawn reveal.

They're building up to the reveal. Next episode is probably likely. 30 odd years if expectations the heroes try and stop him but fail. He gets the win establishing him as a Bona fide threat/living up to those expectations (he's a strategic/tactial genius) and the show ends with Thrawn returning to the main galaxy perhaps bringing a fleet or weapon with him or he has secured resources or something.

Probably something like that.

But here's sone curveball. New canon hasn't mentioned a war between the NR/Imperial remnants. Maybe it doesn't happen. Thrawn either doesn't return or dies but doesn't start a war vs the NR that's the First orders job.

Pure speculation mostly my own.

1. They stay in the other galaxy.

2. Ezra has fallen to the Darkside or otherwise made his peace with Thrawn.

3. The heir to the Empire is a Disney version of Thrawns Empire of the Hand. Except its in the other galaxy vs unknown regions ((First Order us your Canon Empire in Exile).

4. Baylans apprentice betrays him OR.

5. Theawn offers Baylan, Sabine, Ahsoka to join him and Ezra reestablished a new Jedi order or new force tradition.

6. Sabine Ezra romantic undertones in Rebels. Thrawn wants them as Heir to the Empire. Lightside government that doesn't suck essentially duplicating Fel dynasty from old EU legends. Instead if Hans descendents ruling the Empire it's Ezra and Sabine as monarchs.

7. The big threat isn't Thrawn or the Imperial Remnants but the Grysk, ancient builders (Dathomiri, Rakata or whatever) or other extra galactic threat.

All the trailer showed us was Thrawn turning around looks like on the bridge of that inter galactic ship. Work with me more wishful thinking except they pulled the trigger with Baylan/Sabine "join me and together".

The obvious play is Thrawn one ups them and returns. But the Thrawn reveal could come as late as the season final.

But canon Thrawn is more of an Anti hero he's not a fanatic Imperial. He's there to protect his people from the Grysk/Empire and he thinks the revels/republic are weak.

"Your government sucks join me willingly ".

 

[Hussar]

How much time passes between Ahsoka and Episode 7? It's entirely possible that Thrawn is the start of the First Order.

And a thought occurs about the New Republic and their incompetence. How much of it is incompetence and how much of it is outright sabotage? We know the NR has been infiltrated by Imperial loyalists. SIgnificantly infiltrated. It's entirely possible that much of the incompetence is the result of internal sabotage by Imperial 5th columnists.