Are Superhero films dying?

[nevin]

Disney + 60 billion
paramount+ 7.13 billion
Hulu 27.5 billion
HBO Max 57.2 billion

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

I do want a lot of superhero content. It's just that I'd be cool with some of it being just a sitcom happening in the MCU, where people are living in the middle of the weekly insanity that is Galactus/Atlantis/Skrulls/whatever is going on with the mutants. Or us following a very street-level Blade dealing with vampire nests.

You know, weekly shows that are sustainably priced to make. And aren't trying to lead into The Next Big Event. The closest Marvel got was the concept of She-Hulk, but the problem there is that there needs to be She-Hulk (and guests from movies) on the screen.

So, I guess, Daredevil, if that is still happening..?

 

[Ruin Explorer]

The analyst estimates that Apple TV+ accounts for just 2% of Apple's services revenue, and that the streaming service had revenue of $1.5 billion in calendar 2022, growing to $2.2 billion in 2023.
As of November 2023 Netflix has a market cap of $189.23 Billion.

What?

Why are you comparing revenue to market cap? You don't get to complain about me rejecting a comparison and then make a comparison like that.

Do you even know what market cap or revenue are? Because it seems not when you make that comparison.

Let's look at Netflix's revenue, because you seem to want to use that figure - for 2023 it was $32bn.

Netflix Revenue 2010-2023 | NFLX

Netflix annual/quarterly revenue history and growth rate from 2010 to 2023. Revenue can be defined as the amount of money a company receives from its customers in exchange for the sales of goods or services. Revenue is the top line item on an income statement from which all costs and expenses...

www.macrotrends.net

It's about 15x bigger. That's not a Walmart to local gas station distance. That's Walmart to "chain that has stores in most states and some abroad" difference.

 

[nevin]

you are correct I blew that. Best I can come up with is it's on target to be a 9 billion dollar valuation by 2025

Apple's TV service will grow like crazy and be a $9 billion business by 2025, Morgan Stanley says. I'll have to dig for the actual valuation.

 

[nevin]

Apple Loses Billions on Streaming, Analyst Estimates here's the link to barrons article. According to barrons's it's likely Apple TV+ has never made a profit.

Long also writes that TV+ likely has negative operating margins, generating an estimated loss of 30 cents per share for calendar year 2022. Losses will “plateau” in 2025, he predicts, based on content spending of $4.8 billion in 2022, $5.8 billion in 2023 and $6.6 billion next year.

wow Apple does not break stuff down. though from what I've read so far they make far more on music than Apple TV+ and always have. Apple TV+ is 2% of thier total streaming services revenue. According to barron's they spent 4.8 billion in 2022 and will spend 5.8 billion this year, the analyst projects that will generate 52% growth in revenue for the service but that still doesn't bring the service to profitability.

so after spending 4.8 billion in 2022, 5.8 billion in 2023 and 6.6 billion in 2024 the service will be worth 9 billion and possibly profitable.

 

[nevin]

I do want a lot of superhero content. It's just that I'd be cool with some of it being just a sitcom happening in the MCU, where people are living in the middle of the weekly insanity that is Galactus/Atlantis/Skrulls/whatever is going on with the mutants. Or us following a very street-level Blade dealing with vampire nests.

You know, weekly shows that are sustainably priced to make. And aren't trying to lead into The Next Big Event. The closest Marvel got was the concept of She-Hulk, but the problem there is that there needs to be She-Hulk (and guests from movies) on the screen.

So, I guess, Daredevil, if that is still happening..?

I'd love to see some more episodic shows like she hulk that mostly ignore whatever big story arc they have that just focus on superhero's being superhero's in thier own turf.

I'm not sure on the Daredevil thing. Sounds like it was someone's answer to the superhero collapse but now everyone seems to be backpedaling. Or maybe without writers and actor's they are just afraid to get us hopeful....I'd rather see a continuation than a reboot though. I really hope this ugly bad year for hollywood doesn't turn into a bunch of reboots. I think I'm just done with em.. I still havent' watched the last batman movie. I just don't need another batman origin story in my head.

 

[Ryujin]

I'd love to see some more episodic shows like she hulk that mostly ignore whatever big story arc they have that just focus on superhero's being superhero's in thier own turf.

I'm not sure on the Daredevil thing. Sounds like it was someone's answer to the superhero collapse but now everyone seems to be backpedaling. Or maybe without writers and actor's they are just afraid to get us hopeful....I'd rather see a continuation than a reboot though. I really hope this ugly bad year for hollywood doesn't turn into a bunch of reboots. I think I'm just done with em.. I still havent' watched the last batman movie. I just don't need another batman origin story in my head.

I'm with you on reboots, but every now and then they get one right. I was skeptical about the Pattinson Batman but he pretty much nailed it, as a "year one" detective Batman.

 

[nevin]

I have no doubt it's a great movie. I just didn't want to see another batman movie. someday I'll stream it I'm sure but not anytime soon.
the only reboots I'd like to see is someone not connected to FOX redoing the Fantastic 4 and the X-men. I would really love to see a good Fantastic 4 movie.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Of the properties I listed, the problems were variable in impact, but all evidence of rushing products and pushing budgets. Like, with Wakanda Forever, if you watched it in certain cinemas, the overdark scenes weren't really an issue, and Disney actually corrected it by the time it reached D+ if I remember correctly - and those scenes are a small minority of the movie. Its real problems stemmed from trying to be two different movies and only succeeding at one of them, but that's a different discussion and not related to rushing I think. Ms Marvel succeeded in being a pretty show despite some really cut-off plots and some tonal whiplash (from the good guys stabbing multiple baddies to death to other good guys fighting the police with implausible/zero verisimilitude Home Alone-style shenanigans in what, two episodes? Jesus). Falcon and the Winter Soldier though was a huge mess writing, plot and tone-wise, and tried way too hard to set up Secret Invasion, which I'm not even going to start on. If you didn't notice anything off with either, well, I guess you're "made of tougher stuff".

To make it clear, its not so much "made of tougher stuff" as any problems I saw being, well, to me, trivial. But I also feel that way about a lot of films; even ones I see some problems with, the reactions of many people to me seem very much throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I usually just say that by many people's standards I have no taste and leave it at that. I had no significant problems with Falcon and the Winter Soldier for example.

 

[Thomas Shey]

I'm with you on reboots, but every now and then they get one right. I was skeptical about the Pattinson Batman but he pretty much nailed it, as a "year one" detective Batman.

I went in really dubious, but was sold by the end, and that's when you account for the fact I'm really not sure I liked its take on the Riddler at all.