Are Superhero films dying?

[The Myopic Sniper]

They should have just waited for the actor's strike to end before releasing this. While I think superhero fatigue is real wall to wall interviews on ABC in the US could have nudged that 65% male demographic into something more balanced.

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[bloodtide]

The FF characters, while stand-ins for the '50s/'60s nuclear family, are even bigger stereotypes than you might realize. Mr. Fantastic is trying to keep all of his many balls in the air, so becomes able to stretch in order to do everything at once. While Reed is doing this, Susan fells ignored. She's invisible and becomes so. Johnny is a hot head, who never thinks before he acts. FLAME ON! And Ben? He's the stalwart friend and protector, that everyone depends on. Their rock.

While the above does describe the original Fantastic Four, they do evolve over the next two years into the more "modern":

Reed learning to stretch into new areas of life: marriage and kids. And also learn how to 'stretch' and learn and grow as a person. Susan steps up as the role of the teams protector...literary when she 'discovers' her force field powers. And being the emotional voice of reason. Though the hot head and rock don't change much.

The FF movie problem is that each character is complex enough that they don't really fit in a group movie.

Really the best way to do a cinematic FF would be to do The Avengers Phase Plan. Have the four single character movies and then the group movie: then four more single character movies and another group movie.

And, really, a Doom movie would fit in so perfectly too. And a Doom movie would have the FF in it, after all Victor, Reed and Ben all did go to school together. And a younger Sue and Johnny is an easy fit for a quick cameo. There was a nice villain story..where Doom and the other Old School FF villains team up to steal some knowledge from the Inhumans(or the Library of Alexandra?) that would make a fine "end cap" to the Doom orgian story.

 

[Aldarc]

Why the DCCU hasn't leaned heavily on the teams from the animated series/movies is, quite frankly, beyond me.

Because that's how we get the poorly received Killing Joke adaptation, which pushed Bruce Timm's weird obsession with making Batman/Batgirl an item. While I like the DCAU overall, the Timmverse does a pretty dirty job with the supporting cast of the Bat Family, with notable exception of Alfred.

 

[wicked cool]

Marvels bombing at theaters. Time to fire management

Bring in new blood and start recasting bad actors. I’d hire the director of Yellowstone/Tulsa king. Then I’d hire the stranger things directors
Recast ms marvel. Etc

 

[Ryujin]

Because that's how we get the poorly received Killing Joke adaptation, which pushed Bruce Timm's weird obsession with making Batman/Batgirl an item. While I like the DCAU overall, the Timmverse does a pretty dirty job with the supporting cast of the Bat Family, with notable exception of Alfred.

Yes, that's one highly objectionable production. Look at the rest.

 

[Campbell]

The only Fantastic Four stories (mostly by Hickman) that really feel compelling to me basically embrace that Reed Richards is only a step removed from being a supervillain. We basically have a workaholic with poor communication skills who often only asks can I do X? instead of should I do X?. Like there's real pathos there to explore in the family's relationships, but I doubt we'd ever get that.

 

[Rabulias]

The FF have another problem seen in comic book films - they are a team. When Marvel started doing Avengers movies, they took effort to establish several central characters as themselves in their own films before putting them together. The FF don't have that option - and establishing their own depth as individuals with the reduced screen-time of teamwork is no mean feat.

They were able to pull it off with Guardians of the Galaxy. Not so much with The Eternals. :-/

 

[Ryujin]

The only Fantastic Four stories (mostly by Hickman) that really feel compelling to me basically embrace that Reed Richards is only a step removed from being a supervillain. We basically have a workaholic with poor communication skills who often only asks can I do X? instead of should I do X?. Like there's real pathos there to explore in the family's relationships, but I doubt we'd ever get that.

It's a recurring theme in Marvel. Richards, Stark, Pym...

 

[payn]

Marvels bombing at theaters. Time to fire management

Bring in new blood and start recasting bad actors. I’d hire the director of Yellowstone/Tulsa king. Then I’d hire the stranger things directors
Recast ms marvel. Etc

Worst suggestions so far and I’ve heard some bad ones.

 

[Warpiglet-7]

Worst suggestions so far and I’ve heard some bad ones.

Well I suspect genre fatigue is more a thing than bad acting.

There is also a thing about spacing releases out (shrug).