D&D 5E Can I use action surge in the middle of another action (between attacks when attacking with extra attack)?

[Irlo]

There are very few rules associated with action surge, so this should be easy.

Action Surge​

Starting at 2nd level, you can push yourself beyond your normal limits for a moment. On your turn, you can take one additional action.

When you use extra attack, is it still your turn between your two attack rolls? Yes. Then by RAW you can use action surge at that point.

Without an explicit limiter elsewhere in the ruleset, restricting the timing of that additional action is clearly a ruling/house-rule, not RAW.

Can anyone cite a rule related to the restricted timing of the additional action that I'm missing?

 

[aco175]

There are very few rules associated with action surge, so this should be easy.



When you use extra attack, is it still your turn between your two attack rolls? Yes. Then by RAW you can use action surge at that point.

Without an explicit limiter elsewhere in the ruleset, restricting the timing of that additional action is clearly a ruling/house-rule, not RAW.

Can anyone cite a rule related to the restricted timing of the additional action that I'm missing?

I can read it saying that on your turn, you may take one additional action. To take one additional action I must first take an action. Once that action of finished, I can take an additional action, not before the first action and not in the middle of it.

 

[James Gasik]

Though it could also be read as being able to take multiple actions simultaneously.

 

[Irlo]

I can read it saying that on your turn, you may take one additional action. To take one additional action I must first take an action. Once that action of finished, I can take an additional action, not before the first action and not in the middle of it.

That’s a reasonable ruling.

 

[Irlo]

Though it could also be read as being able to take multiple actions simultaneously.

That’s also a reasonable ruling.

 

[ezo]

Only if you can quote me the explicit rule that allows it. If you can't, then I've been correct the entire thread that RAW does not allow it.

You say "quote me a rule that allows it," and I tell you "quote me the rule where it says you can't."

You've said if you start a new action, your current action is over. Again, where in the rules does it say that??? Answer: no where.

That is YOUR rule, not 5E's.

Anything not explicitly defined or prohibited by RAW, is therefore allowed by RAW since the game lets you do anything not strictly prohibited or explicitly defined. Humans don't have fire resistance because what humans have is explicitly defined. Attacking with Two Weapons is explicitly defined. Casting a bonus action spell and a spell with 1 action casting time is prohibited.

But nothing, nothing anywhere, saysing anything about Action Surge or haste or whatever causing an unfinished action to be finished.

 

[Maxperson]

There are very few rules associated with action surge, so this should be easy.



When you use extra attack, is it still your turn between your two attack rolls? Yes. Then by RAW you can use action surge at that point.

Without an explicit limiter elsewhere in the ruleset, restricting the timing of that additional action is clearly a ruling/house-rule, not RAW.

Can anyone cite a rule related to the restricted timing of the additional action that I'm missing?

That fails to say that you can do it. You are inferring which is a big no no when it comes to RAW. The W stands for written, not inferred. What you are inferring may or may not be true.

 

[Irlo]

That fails to say that you can do it. You are inferring which is a big no no when it comes to RAW. The W stands for written, not inferred. What you are inferring may or may not be true.

Of course we make inferences when interpreting rules as written. It's a D&D rulebook, not an internally consistent theorem of symbolic logic. Inferences and making conclusions and giving weight to various bits of sometimes contradictory (or missing) information - we all do it.

Tell me, according to the rules, without any inference on your part, when exactly during your turn (in relation to the attack action) can you take the additional action granted by action surge?

EDIT: But, really, never mind. The important part of this conversation for me is not the tweezing out of the limited text and contorting ourselves to argue about how to define and decipher RAW. I'm more interested in seeing different interpretations of actions, how they relate to the game turn and, most important, how they relate to the fiction; and what interesting options open up for fighters using action surge with the more liberal implementation of the rules (or why one might want to close off those options with a more restrictive implementation).

 

[Maxperson]

Of course we make inferences when interpreting rules as written. It's a D&D rulebook, not an internally consistent theorem of symbolic logic. Inferences and making conclusions and giving weight to various bits of sometimes contradictory information - we all do it.

Tell me, according to the rules, without any inference on your part, when exactly during your turn (in relation to the attack action) can you take the additional action granted by action surge?

Yes. Of course you can infer. What cannot happen is for your inference to be RAW. What you infer is your ruling or house rule, not RAW. And yes, I agree that we all do it, and do it a lot in 5e. It's designed for us to heavily use rulings to house rule it.

 

[ECMO3]

To take one additional action I must first take an action.

This is the part that bothers me about this line of thinking. This is not anywhere in the rules. Why do you have to first take an action?