D&D (2024) Do you plan to adopt D&D5.5One2024Redux?

[Lanefan]

That might make sense if the DM player relationship was adversarial, not cooperative. I work under the assumption that everyone gets along, ...

The two bolded things are not necessarily connected. Everyone can get along fine and yet the DM-player relationship can still be quite adversarial once the puck hits the ice.

 

[Scott Christian]

2e was a tuneup of 1e. 3.5e was a tuneup of 3e. Both were labeled as such, and both were intended as replacements. What's different in this situation besides marketing?

I feel like this is a very fair sentiment. It, at the very least, should be acknowledged, and then answered if possible. I personally do not know the answer, so I am curious.

 

[Lanefan]

No... but telling all of US that, over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread does not actually do anything that you are hoping to happen. We don't control corporations or their actions, so why complain to us about it? What are any of us going to do?

If just one person barks about corporate behavior, nothing will happen.

It takes everyone barking about it - and voting with their wallets - to effect any meaningful change.

 

[Corinnguard]

The two bolded things are not necessarily connected. Everyone can get along fine and yet the DM-player relationship can still be quite adversarial once the puck hits the ice.

Cooperative when the DM helps a player better understand the rules, describes a given part of the dungeon to the players, and encourages the player to really get into character.

Adversarial when the DM lets out an evil chuckle as they get ready to unleash something on the unsuspecting characters.

They can be both, you know.

 

[Lanefan]

Sigh. Again, they are only to replace the old ones if that's what your group WANTS to do. IF your group (obviously not YOUR group) wants to play with a mix, or stick to 2014 but buy new Adventure books, or whatever, WotC is still happy to take your money.

Are they going to keep the 2014 books in print, then?

If not, then the 2024 books are a replacement no matter how you define it; 'cause once the 2014 books sell through, a new player coming into a store will only have the one option.

Calling it a new edition or even a revision makes it sound like the old books are obsolete.

That's just it: the 2014 PH and DMG very likely will become obsolete, in short order. Maybe the MM too, though monsters are more evergreen and easier to convert.

Unless they keep both versions in print and sell them side-along a la BX and 1e in the 1980s, that is. Not holdng my breath on that one.

 

[Lanefan]

Cooperative when the DM helps a player better understand the rules, describes a given part of the dungeon to the players, and encourages the player to really get into character.

That's the "getting along" piece.

Adversarial when the DM lets out an evil chuckle as they get ready to unleash something on the unsuspecting characters.

Ayup.

 

[Hriston]

Or it would just have played it exactly the same and the DM would have ruled in the same manner.

You mean if you didn't have any sort of feature from your background on which to rely? I was under the impression you had invoked the feature in some way and that the DM had agreed it applied to the situation. Without that, it's hard to imagine a player declaring such an action or on what basis a DM would decide it works. I think it's more likely the DM would have called for a Charisma check of some kind.

But in this case it just worked by the rules, which was nice. Although the DM could have said: too late, a combat is already going on.

The situation is unclear to me, but, IMO, the DM's judgment here should rely on whether the utmost courtesy or helpfulness towards your character call for ending/not starting the fight.

 

[mamba]

And if the new book didn't have the exact same name as the old one, and no admission of an edition change, I would stop talking about it. Either one of those things.

They are not going to name the PHB something else, in any edition. The fact that it is called PHB and not anything else (not even PHB2) tells you all you need to know about its intent.

 

[Parmandur]

That's just it: the 2014 PH and DMG very likely will become obsolete, in short order. Maybe the MM too, though monsters are more evergreen and easier to convert.

We have a food idea of what this will like, because they already did this three years ago with Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes: they are out of print physically, and labeled as "Legacy" in Beyond. Thst means they can still be used if the DM flags Legacy content as being available.

 

[Hussar]

I keep getting the feeling that people don’t quite understand the definition of update.

I mean as far as WotC being explicit:

One D&D is the code name for the next generation of Dungeons & Dragons, bringing together three initiatives that will shape the future of the game:

D&D Rules. This takes what we love about ..fifth edition and updates the rules of the game to reflect the feedback we have heard from players and where the game is today..

That is directly from the WotC FAQ.

How much clearer can they be?