D&D (2024) No Dwarf, Halfling, and Orc suborgins, lineages, and legacies

[Minigiant]

My Best Expectation

1. Human
2. Dragonborn
   • Black
   • Blue
   • Brass
   • Bronze
   • Copper
   • Gold
   • Green
   • Red
   • Silver
   • White
3. Dwarf
4. Elf
   • Drow
   • High Elf
   • Wood Elf
5. Gnome
   • Forest Gnome
   • Rock Gnome
6. Goliath
   • Cloud
   • Fire
   • Frost
   • Hill
   • Stone
   • Storm
7. Halfling
8. Orc
9. Tielfing
   • Abyssal
   • Chthonic
   • Infernal

My hope

• Human
• Dragonborn
  • Black
  • Blue
  • Brass
  • Bronze
  • Copper
  • Gold
  • Green
  • Red
  • Silver
  • White
• Dwarf
  • Hill
  • Mountain
  • Underdark (Duergar)
  • Volcano
• Elf
  • City Elf (Half)
  • Dark Elf (Drow)
  • High Elf
  • Wood Elf
• Gnome
  • Forest Gnome
  • Rock Gnome
• Goliath
  • Cloud
  • Fire
  • Frost
  • Hill
  • Stone
  • Storm
• Halfling
  • Ghostmind
  • Jinxhand
  • Lightfoot
  • Stoutheat
• Orc
  • Porcine
  • Wolven
• Tielfing
  • Abyssal
  • Chthonic
  • Infernal

 

[Remathilis]

My hope

• Volcano
• City Elf (Half)
• Ghostmind
• Jinxhand
• Porcine
• Wolven]

Never heard of any of these.

 

[Hussar]

Just as a thought, do we really need different subspecies of Dragonborn? I mean, we kinda do now? Sorta? It's like a single chart that details out breath weapons and that's it. I mean, you could simplify that even further - make breath weapons deal force damage - just like gem dragonborn do - and then let the player flavor it however they like.

That way no player gets screwed over and all the dragonborn are balanced against each other. I mean, if you take a red Dragonborn (or any fire breathing one) then your breath weapon is going to get resisted/immuned far more often than someone with, say, cold breath. Fire and poison, I suppose, are very, very common resistances/immunities. So, why not just give everyone Force damage as a breath weapon, free up the space that that rather pointless chart takes up, and be done with it?

 

[Remathilis]

Just as a thought, do we really need different subspecies of Dragonborn? I mean, we kinda do now? Sorta? It's like a single chart that details out breath weapons and that's it. I mean, you could simplify that even further - make breath weapons deal force damage - just like gem dragonborn do - and then let the player flavor it however they like.

That way no player gets screwed over and all the dragonborn are balanced against each other. I mean, if you take a red Dragonborn (or any fire breathing one) then your breath weapon is going to get resisted/immuned far more often than someone with, say, cold breath. Fire and poison, I suppose, are very, very common resistances/immunities. So, why not just give everyone Force damage as a breath weapon, free up the space that that rather pointless chart takes up, and be done with it?

I mean, effectively the PHB has fire, ice, lightning, poison and acid dragons with the color just being a skin for it. It looks funny when you list all 10 out as separate subs, but when all the subs do is change your energy type, it ends up the smallest "sub" choice in the game.

I would hate to have one dragonborn with force breath. That removes the only legit flavor that the race has going for it. It's another case of "we must make every option in D&D fit on a cocktail napkin" style of design. Let ideas breathe.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I would hate to have one dragonborn with force breath.

Amethyst Dragonborn, Fizban's Treasury of Dragons.

 

[Remathilis]

Amethyst Dragonborn, Fizban's Treasury of Dragons.

Ok. I don't mind that as an option, but not "all dragonborn have force breath" as the quote described.

 

[CreamCloud0]

while dragonborn colours should matter i think the base structuring of their subspecies design is really lacking with it being the entire focus of their variety, there's more than just one kind of dragon right? your dragonborn's colour can be a secondary modifier to their abilities determining their elemental resistance, it doesn't matter if you're decended from a red, bronze or ruby dragon you're still associated with fire, but why isn't there other subspecies variation, like drakelung(colour determines breathweapon), longtail(colour determines innate spellcasting), wyvern(wings/flight), gemscale(colour determines protective aura effect's element), oretooth(colour determines additional status from natural claw attack)

 

[Minigiant]

Never heard of any of these.

Fire Dwarves
Half elves renamed
Ghostwise Halflings renamed
Regular orcs
Pig orcs

 

[Remathilis]

Fire Dwarves
Half elves renamed
Ghostwise Halflings renamed
Regular orcs
Pig orcs

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no such thing as fire dwarves and pig orcs. Are these new subspecies created specifically for the PHB?

 

[Minigiant]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no such thing as fire dwarves and pig orcs. Are these new subspecies created specifically for the PHB?

Those Subraces were listed as my hopes.

Meaning popular fantasy races that I wish WOTC would make core but have low chances due to them being them.