D&D (2024) Comeliness and Representation in Recent DnD Art

[Fifth Element]

This is what I mean. We did not try to relate to them. They are game pawns like the iron on a Monopoly board. They are not us nor extensions of us.

Yes, to you. This does not apply to everyone. So unless you believe that everyone should approach it the way you do or did (which I would advise against) this is irrelevant, because you're not the only one the game wants to appeal to.

 

[Gradine]

So the why a teifling and LGBT connect is why I was curious. If it is because of persecution they both share, then is it not self harm to play one, mentally speaking?

Well, yes and no. It really depends on the player, most specifically, but also, generally speaking on the tone and tenor of the campaign they're in. One way or the other, it's not at all universal, and thus both cases are equally valid.

 

[LesserThan]

It's not sanitization to recognize that a broad appeal is going to require you to avoid things that are likely to give people a bad experience.

Except that broadest appeal does not care, or used to not care. Art is always wasted space in a book, like the tiny dragon earlier, or cover art, as someone said was meant to "attract".

For the most part, the black girl flying with glasses and magic circles around her was a good piece of art. Think that was another thread about PHB art leak?

But what does that art offer? A PC example? There should be no PC examples. Weapon art, monster art, fine. If people need the PC examples for races, they should be on the PHB cover. But then you will run into, "Why is the wizard a slim young attractive black girl, can Asian looking old overweight men not be wizards?"

Art is always a problem when it highlights only one group. So either you look at the art and think, well an old white guy drew himself here, or you have to increase the cost of the book and depict all nationalities of humans as all classes, each in full page color art. That would be over 300 pages of full color art so where is the room left for the rules in the book?

I have always thought the art should just be filler where you had more page than text, if it was not like a diagram showing something like how a kobold and goblin look different.

Also, to remake something to rewrite it for a few new people, is sanitization of art, drawn and written. Anyone can ignore tye draw art and written art, read lore, in a game and just insert tueir own choices.

 

[LesserThan]

Okay, so if it 'shouldn't' matter, what's the problem with just doing the representation for those to whom it does matter, and why do people who say it shouldn't matter get mad when it gets done?

If you are making a new setting, there is no problem. If you come along to change established settings, then why would you not expect pushback when you started the pushing?

Why does teifling need to be loved in Forgotten Realms all of a sudden as the only published version of the setting, when they already exist in Ravenloft and Planescape as just your average people next door?

You, generically, may want teifling to be normal everyday sight in Realms like was done in 4e, but what right do you have to decide than for everyone that has ever played in Realms? None. That is why Greenwood is infamous and notorious, neither positive terms, for HIS Time of Troubles.

Needless retcons, even as cash grab rewrites, like the Spellplague, will always be met with confrontation.

See:
Ghostbusters 2016 vs Afterlife
Godzilla 2000 vs Godzilla v Kong
Burton vs Snyderverse Batman
original Good Times vs Netflix Good Times

It is not that hard to:
a. Change the setting for your game
b. Make your own setting
c. Use no setting

 

[Vaalingrade]

I have no idea why this game of imagination would include visuals to spur the imagination.

 

[Vaalingrade]

If you are making a new setting, there is no problem. If you come along to change established settings, then why would you not expect pushback when you started the pushing?

Because, apparently it doesn't matter, so again, why not?

Why does teifling need to be loved in Forgotten Realms all of a sudden as the only published version of the setting, when they already exist in Ravenloft and Planescape as just your average people next door?

There is a difference between 'loved' and 'actively subject to racism'.

You, generically, may want teifling to be normal everyday sight in Realms like was done in 4e, but what right do you have to decide than for everyone that has ever played in Realms? None. That is why Greenwood is infamous and notorious, neither positive terms, for HIS Time of Troubles.

I'd rather FR not be the flagship setting at all.

But as we're talking about it, like... Greenwood is the creator of the setting. He gets to say what happens in it as much as I do in the World of Ere.

Needless retcons, even as cash grab rewrites, like the Spellplague, will always be met with confrontation.

See:
Ghostbusters 2016 vs Afterlife
Godzilla 2000 vs Godzilla v Kong
Burton vs Snyderverse Batman
original Good Times vs Netflix Good Times

Ooo, the goalpost just moved from inclusion to 'cash grab'. The weird thing is, every dog in the neighborhood started howling again...

 

[MGibster]

Dorothy. Her name was Dorothy.

 

[LesserThan]

Yes, to you. This does not apply to everyone. So unless you believe that everyone should approach it the way you do or did (which I would advise against) this is irrelevant, because you're not the only one the game wants to appeal to.

I thought "DnD" in the title meant D&D, Dungeons and Dragons. If one approaches it some other way then either they need an intervention like Debbie, and gotten away from Jack Chick and his insanity, or Dungeons and Dragons is not the game I began playing in the 1980s any more and have no frame of reference to ever be able to discuss whatever it is that you call DnD.

So I would advise you NOT to assume what I am talking about from when I began playing in the 1980s as you were not in my group, and have no business trying to do what you have done now 3 times in this thread telling me what or how to think or speak.

Your rights end where another person begins, and you have overstepped your bounds with your God complex. Back off!

 

[Kobold Avenger]

So the why a teifling and LGBT connect is why I was curious. If it is because of persecution they both share, then is it not self harm to play one, mentally speaking?

The Planescape product Fiends: Faces of Evil published almost 30 years ago makes such a connection, when they discuss gender and/or sex and sexuality for Tieflings.

 

[aco175]

AI would love to make your character any way you want with any representation you wish. If only you with to cross over.