D&D (2024) Comeliness and Representation in Recent DnD Art

This issue has been discussed. No one is forced to act like WotC does or they can't make a profit. I still just see it as greed.

Forced? No. Is attending to incoming customers beneficial compared to maintaining ones in an industry that has notable churn (as in, people drop out of the hobby frequently) beneficial? Absolutely. If you think otherwise, you're going directly against the experience of companies in parallel industries.

The only time it pays to give more attention to the old part of the market than the new is moribund products.
 

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in the 1970s, nerds were persecuted for playing a non-game. There were movies about Nerds being persecuted, 5 I think.
The poster has been criticized for several assertions in his post, but I need to specifically call this out.

Suggesting that the “Revenge of the Nerds” films provide evidence that nerds are persecuted is equivalent to arguing that “Birth of the Nation” demonstrates that White Southerners were oppressed.

One difference between the two films is that in “Birth of a Nation”, sexually assaulting women was something the VILLAINS did.
 

As for representation about me, I'm fine with a couple examples of the Monk being represented by someone from my ethnic background, as Monk has strongly being tied to it, but they shouldn't be all Monks. I realize the second most likely character class that might be represented by characters from my ethnic background is the Wizard (though it's a more modern stereotype), but so far only Strixhaven has featured one. It's why I liked the fact the Sorcerer from 3e (and a different Sorcerer in the 5e 2014 PHB), and the Artificer from Tasha's Cauldron were characters who resemble my ethnicity.
The Tasha’s artificer was a really great picture. I like it a lot.
 


Why?

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Is it me, or did everyone think of this.

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Sounds like an argument in favor of sanitizing so the possibility of getting it wrong is removed. Is that what you're advocating?
No?

Look, there's a big difference between saying "in some settings, <insert race/heritage/species> suffer from discrimination because of <insert stupid reasoning here>" and maybe include a a sidebar on how to handle this effectively, and actually writing an adventure or setting book that (a) has that discrimination as a True Fact and (b) handles it probably not that well.

As an example of the latter, take a look at the way D&D handled the whole duergar thing back in Tome of Foes. The duergar got mind-raped and enslaved for centuries, but the typically lawful good dwarfs and their typically lawful good gods decided that it was the duergars' fault. And now the duergar are typically lawful evil and because of that deserving of any hatred the dwarfs and their gods show them. It's basically victim-blaming an entire culture of people for collectively failing their Wisdom saves against a much more powerful foe!

I know I don't want D&D to handle PC bigotry in that manner. I would much rather them present the background, adjust their alignments because "racial hatred" and "lawful good" do not mix (since I'm not going to get my wish with D&D and have them remove racial alignments entirely), and have a section that says that many hill and mountain dwarfs hold certain prejudices against the duergar. And--and this is the most important thing--have those prejudices not be true. See, the hill and mountain dwarfs are justified in hating duergar because duergar are evil. The same is basically true for every time there's a race that suffers prejudice in D&D. There's always a legitimate reason for that prejudice, and that reason is never the fault of the bigots.

Yes, Tome of Foes was about 6 years ago now. Maybe they've improved since then; I don't know. Do you think they have?
 

Not a waste of space for them.
Well, you've said that you buy books for the meta-plot, and that's a waste of space for a lot of people (in fact, my table had a several-minutes-long discussion as to how much we all hate meta-plots just last night), so, you know, compromise is everybody getting some of what they want and nobody getting all of what they want.
 

Well, you've said that you buy books for the meta-plot, and that's a waste of space for a lot of people (in fact, my table had a several-minutes-long discussion as to how much we all hate meta-plots just last night), so, you know, compromise is everybody getting some of what they want and nobody getting all of what they want.
Fair enough. What parts of the new books are me getting what I want?
 

Fair enough. What parts of the new books are me getting what I want?

I feel there was stuff in Fizbans, and the Giants books that maybe could have appealed to you, I know I got some value out of them personally.

As for ToF, again, there is a reason it was replaced, and at least one of those reasons was the definitive lore/background/history it tried to establish.

I wonder who wrote it actually, since they couldnt seem to run away from it fast enough.
 

I feel there was stuff in Fizbans, and the Giants books that maybe could have appealed to you, I know I got some value out of them personally.

As for ToF, again, there is a reason it was replaced, and at least one of those reasons was the definitive lore/background/history it tried to establish.

I wonder who wrote it actually, since they couldnt seem to run away from it fast enough.
Fair enough. Not enough for me to pay $50 for either, sadly.
 

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