D&D (2024) Comeliness and Representation in Recent DnD Art

[Charlaquin]

It seems it did have ramps, in the fashion of the pyramids I mentioned earlier.

The author implied them to be for wheelchairs, it seems, according to the guy in that video, as per the description of the video.

"I could not believe the comments I saw criticizing the wheelchair accessible dungeon by Jennifer Kretchmer."

One dungeon happening to have ramps in it is a far cry from “there was some adventure book that required wheelchair ramps in dungeons.”

 

[Charlaquin]

I have never heard this before, only breaking immersion, never breaking escapism.

Maybe not with that exact phrasing, but the game being a source of escapism is usually status-quo warriors’ go-to reason for wanting to keep “politics” out of fictional media.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Maybe not with that exact phrasing, but the game being a source of escapism is usually status-quo warriors’ go-to reason for wanting to keep “politics” out of fictional media.

Even if you're right about the "usually" (which is impossible to verify), that doesn't mean that a stated desire for escapism in TTRPGs means anything more than what was said. An individual isn't responsible for following or not following social trends in their own comments.

 

[LesserThan]

One dungeon happening to have ramps in it is a far cry from “there was some adventure book that required wheelchair ramps in dungeons.”

1 dungeon, singular, in a collection of dungeons is EXACTLY some adventure book, singular, that required wheelchair ramps. If this girl was writting the adventure, she, demanded to include wheelchair accessibility. How it turned into pyramid ramps is between her and Hasbro.

I am looking for her video about disability dungeons on the D&D channel, but it has a LOT of videos and her name is not easy to search on Youtube because all videos of her and D&D is a BIG list.

Edit, found it


Think this is where she mentioned her Candlekeep dungeon/Adventure.

 

[Faolyn]

Maybe I'm not being clear. I don't see any reason personally why society's ills need to be any easier to overcome in a fantasy world than they are in the real world (not not necessarily harder either), especially if the underlying conditions that lead to those ills still exist in the fantasy world.

That being said, plenty of people disagree with me on that point, and they should have their fantasy too.

Societal ills may or may not be easy to overcome, but then again, it's a fantasy world with magic, and many PCs set themselves up to be heroes.

But you actually set up the questions here: what are those underlying conditions and why do they exist? Do you (generic you) have actual "justifications" for why a particular bit of bigotry exists, or is it just there because of course you're going to include this thing that's common in fantasy games. If you figure out what that justification is, then you can determine the root cause, and then you have developed a thing that can be changed in your setting. Why are these particular races hated by everyone? Usually because they're evil. Why are they evil? Because the books say so. And so on.

 

[Faolyn]

No, there wasn’t. There was a lot of reactionary griping about “so are dungeons all going to be wheelchair accessible in WotC adventures now?” but no wheelchair accessible dungeons ever actually happened. Indeed, if those reactionaries had actually read the adventure-wheelchair document (which was 3rd party, by the way) they’d have seen that it was designed to be able to traverse terrain that would not normally be wheelchair accessible, via fantasy tech.

And what's silly is, from a "logical" view point, ramps are going to be easier to cut into stone than stairs are! The people who claimed that it was illogical to have "wheelchair-accessible dungeons" weren't even thinking about how a dungeon should logically be made.

 

[LesserThan]

Maybe not with that exact phrasing, but the game being a source of escapism is usually status-quo warriors’ go-to reason for wanting to keep “politics” out of fictional media.

Huh?

So, how do you break escapism? The game has politics in it.

 

[LesserThan]

Spreading misinformation is reactionaries’ entire MO. Always, always fact check before repeating something you heard on the internet.

He is a reactionary to reactionaries, I guess.

I assume you are not using reactionary as a term your generation uses for my generation, but one who reacts, which is everyone on forums, Youtube, Twitter, etc. We are all reacting.

 

[Charlaquin]

Even if you're right about the "usually" (which is impossible to verify), that doesn't mean that a stated desire for escapism in TTRPGs means anything more than what was said. An individual isn't responsible for following or not following social trends in their own comments.

Not at all, and nothing against a desire for escapism in media! I’m just saying “breaking escapism” is indeed a common complaint, and that is a form it often takes.

 

[Charlaquin]

1 dungeon, singular, in a collection of dungeons is EXACTLY some adventure book, singular, that required wheelchair ramps. If this girl was writting the adventure, she, demanded to include wheelchair accessibility. How it turned into pyramid ramps is between her and Hasbro.

I am looking for her video about disability dungeons on the D&D channel, but it has a LOT of videos and her name is not easy to search on Youtube because all videos of her and D&D is a BIG list.

Edit, found it


Think this is where she mentioned her Candlekeep dungeon/Adventure.

Writing an adventure where a dungeon has ramps =/= demanding ramps in dungeons.