D&D (2024) Greyhawk Confirmed. Tell Me Why.

[Hussar]

Heh, I set a campaign in Sunndi many years ago. I'd suggest looking for the content created for the Living Greyhawk campaign.


Yeah, that's pretty much low-hanging fruit. There's just so many places you could pop them because, like you said, Greyhawk is pretty open and empty—just waiting for an enterprising DM to fill in the blanks.

FOr me, that's the appeal of Greyhawk. That it really is such a blank canvas. If I wanted a library of lore and canon, I've got Forgotten Realms for that. Greyhawk just has so many "Here Be Dragyns" blank spaces.

 

[pemerton]

Now, according to canon, the Tomb of Horrors is set in the Vast Swamp. Fair enough. Not a whole lot written about this area. But, what interests me is Sunndi to the north. A fairly beefy sized nation that has always had a very high percentage of non-humans and is known as a refuge for non-humans. Other than that, there's virtually no information about Sunndi that I could find. Couple of paragraphs and that's about it.

Isn't the Vast Swamp full of Bullywugs, and Sunndi full of Elves?

For those looking for where dragonborn could come from, that's a pretty easy candidate.

Seems doubtful to me!

Dragonborn hail from an ancient empire - it seems to be its somewhere in the Baklun lands. It seems likely it was destroyed in the Rain of Colourless Fire.

 

[Pauln6]

The other thing to remember is Greyhawk is EMPTY. As in Sahara Desert empty. The aforementioned Sunndi is about twice the size of the UK with a listed population of 150 000 or so.

That’s a LOT of empty space.

Not empty - just empty of adult humans capable of signing up to a census. The early gazetteers used to treat the figures as official in world rather than accurate.

 

[Parmandur]

Isn't the Vast Swamp full of Bullywugs, and Sunndi full of Elves?

It is a large area full of mystery, in fact, eqsy enough to slot a Dragonborn societyinto this juat as WotC did in Eberron a couple years ago tona similar area:

Dragonborn hail from an ancient empire - it seems to be its somewhere in the Baklun lands. It seems likely it was destroyed in the Rain of Colourless Fire.

That was 4E lore, 5E Dragonborn have much more vague and open lore. They are related to Dragons, but not necessarily to aome ancient empire (though having Dragonborn hail from Baklun would also work fine without contradicting anything per se).

 

[Paul Farquhar]

It is a large area full of mystery, in fact, eqsy enough to slot a Dragonborn societyinto this juat as WotC did in Eberron a couple years ago tona similar area:
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That was 4E lore, 5E Dragonborn have much more vague and open lore. They are related to Dragons, but not necessarily to aome ancient empire (though having Dragonborn hail from Baklun would also work fine without contradicting anything per se).

In other words the swamp is full of [Monster Manual]. And there is no good reason to treat species that can potentially be player characters any differently to anything in the Monster Manual.

As for Dragonborn, they are scaly dudes with dragon heads. Anything else is just fluff and will vary between settings.

 

[Hussar]

Isn't the Vast Swamp full of Bullywugs, and Sunndi full of Elves?

Seems doubtful to me!

Dragonborn hail from an ancient empire - it seems to be its somewhere in the Baklun lands. It seems likely it was destroyed in the Rain of Colourless Fire.

That’s 4e lore. Not relevant.

Note the Vast Swamp is home to Wastri who believes that scaled humanoids are the pinnacle of development. Granted it tens more towards bullywugs and frogs, but that’s not really a huge step to see Wastri as having something to do with the development of Dragonborn.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

That’s 4e lore. Not relevant.

Note the Vast Swamp is home to Wastri who believes that scaled humanoids are the pinnacle of development. Granted it tens more towards bullywugs and frogs, but that’s not really a huge step to see Wastri as having something to do with the development of Dragonborn.

Amphibians don't have scales.

 

[Parmandur]

So, just out of curiosity, I checks and the cast swam is 22,799.4 square miles, or about 36692 square kilometers. A bit bigger than Croatia. Lots can be going on in there.

 

[Hussar]

Amphibians don't have scales.

Yes. True. If we want to get all technical. But it’s not like it’s a huge jump either.

No pun intended.

 

[Nikosandros]

So, just out of curiosity, I checks and the cast swam is 22,799.4 square miles, or about 36692 square kilometers. A bit bigger than Croatia. Lots can be going on in there.

Well, that's true, but Croatian dragonborns mostly keep to the Adriatic islands and the coastlines.