D&D (2024) Greyhawk Confirmed. Tell Me Why.

[Paul Farquhar]

No pun intended.

I find that hard to believe.

Anyway, I wonder if anyone knows when the first iteration of player character bullywugs was? I can trace it back to 3rd edition, but I suspect there was a version much earlier.

 

[Remathilis]

I find that hard to believe.

Anyway, I wonder if anyone knows when the first iteration of player character bullywugs was?

Complete Book of Humanoids (2e) unless it was in Dragon Magazine prior

 

[Hussar]

I gotta admit that I have a huge soft spot for the 4e take on Bullywugs. A stat block where the creatures are so loathsome that you actually gained HP if you scored a critical hit against them. It wasn't a huge bonus or anything like that, but, it did make me smile.

 

[Maxperson]

I find that hard to believe.

Gah! You could have gone with, "To believe that would be quite a leap" or even "That's a stretch!"

Sometimes I read posts and despair.

 

[Maxperson]

I gotta admit that I have a huge soft spot for the 4e take on Bullywugs. A stat block where the creatures are so loathsome that you actually gained HP if you scored a critical hit against them. It wasn't a huge bonus or anything like that, but, it did make me smile.

That's an interesting concept. Critting something so horrific that doing so brings up morale(HP).

 

[pemerton]

Note the Vast Swamp is home to Wastri who believes that scaled humanoids are the pinnacle of development. Granted it tens more towards bullywugs and frogs, but that’s not really a huge step to see Wastri as having something to do with the development of Dragonborn.

You get a sad face, because I don't think it's very nice to Dragonborn to connect them like this to the Hopping Prophet and Foe of All Demi-humans. A bit beneath their dignity.

(Which you seem to implicitly concede in your post 1803).

That’s 4e lore. Not relevant.

That was 4E lore, 5E Dragonborn have much more vague and open lore.

Well I like my 4e lore.

 

[Hussar]

You get a sad face, because I don't think it's very nice to Dragonborn to connect them like this to the Hopping Prophet and Foe of All Demi-humans. A bit beneath their dignity.

(Which you seem to implicitly concede in your post 1803).

Well I like my 4e lore.

True. But 5e species have very little lore tied to them. No ancient empires to be seen. Which makes it much easier to parachute them into new settings.

 

[pemerton]

True. But 5e species have very little lore tied to them. No ancient empires to be seen. Which makes it much easier to parachute them into new settings.

Let's strike a deal then - you can parachute them in, provided that they are not connected to Wastri!

 

[Hussar]

Let's strike a deal then - you can parachute them in, provided that they are not connected to Wastri!

Meh.

Wastri experiments with humans - turning them into hybrids. One experiment results in Dragonborn who then escape and become their own thing in the foothills in the south of Sunndi, next to the Iron League nations. Or escape east to the coast and then spread to coastal towns and cities all over.

Poof. Instant origin. Satisfies the canon police and we are good to go.

 

[Parmandur]

Well I like my 4e lore.

I mean, fair enough, it was good lore. But nothing in the Dragonborn write-up in the 2014 5E PHB or any subsequent book uses the ancient empire bit. Dragonborn are described as reclusive wanderers living in small bands, which is pretty easy to fit anywhere.