D&D General (SPOILERS for Vecna: Eve of Ruin) Are My Standards Too High for Adventures?

[Micah Sweet]

Exactly. There is 2e lore that is much worse than what 5e put out, just as there is 2e lore that is better. There is no correlation that lore has gotten worse since 2e.

For me it has. For you it hasn't. Your opinion matters just as much to me as mine does to you.

 

[Remathilis]

Isn't that true of D&D generally, though?

Arguably so. The path of Ttrpg perfection is littered with better systems crushed under the brand recognition of D&D.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Spoilers

Spoiler

The Dark Powers are helping Kas in his plan. He's a dark lord after all, and they explicitly allow him to go on probation to face his rival. They TOLD him about Venca's plan! So when the Ro7P part shows up in Barovia, the Dark Powers allow the PCs easy entrance and egress because it is furthering Kas's plan. The PCs don't know that, of course.

Speculation: why would the Dark Powers allow Kas out in the first place? Because they love to torment those they hold, and letting Kas go to torment Venca (who is the only dark lord to ever escape) and then, once Vecna is defeated, to snatch Kas back before he had a chance to remake reality, sounds like a really great twofer in the torment department. Of course, the PCs stop Kas sooner, but the fact he got so far into his plan and then failed to stop Vecna before being banished to the Mists is sufficient enough punishment for now.

Knowing the actions of the DP right there is a severe violation of lore as far as I'm concerned. That whole Amber Temple thing was the worst part of CoS.

 

[Remathilis]

Knowing the actions of the DP right there is a severe violation of lore as far as I'm concerned. That whole Amber Temple thing was the worst part of CoS.

We don't know the reasons. Hence my speculation part. We know how Kas got out of Torvag, and that the Dark Powers allowed it. This is no more a violation of lore than the Dark Powers deciding to let Lord Soth go because they could not torment him sufficiently. THAT was lore breaking!

 

[Remathilis]

For me it has. For you it hasn't. Your opinion matters just as much to me as mine does to you.

You're going to argue Faction War was better than the 5e Planescape box set? Because if not, you're agreeing with my point.

 

[Parmandur]

TBH I don't know. I know TSRUK produced a bunch of stuff I had (best known, the Fiend Folio), it seemed easier to obtain "UK" modules than others, but I don't know where it was printed.

WotC hardcovers lost where they are printed on the credits page: if you happen to think of it next time you are near yours, I would be curious to know.

 

[billd91]

WotC hardcovers lost where they are printed on the credits page: if you happen to think of it next time you are near yours, I would be curious to know.

It's still there. My copy of Vecna: Eve of Ruin says it was printed in the USA.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

WotC hardcovers lost where they are printed on the credits page: if you happen to think of it next time you are near yours, I would be curious to know.

Disappeared into the black hole of my parents' attic! (And there was a copy of the original Deities and Demigods, featuring Elric, Cthulhu, and the Grey Mouser!)

 

[Parmandur]

Disappeared into the black hole of my parents' attic! (And there was a copy of the original Deities and Demigods, featuring Elric, Cthulhu, and the Grey Mouser!)

Oh, I meant any 5E books you have on hand.

 

[Parmandur]

It's still there. My copy of Vecna: Eve of Ruin says it was printed in the USA.

Yeah, last year was a mixed bag: Planescape was printed in China, but the others were printed in the US (maybe not Deck of Many Things).