D&D (2024) Ranger 2024 is a bigger joke than Ranger 2014:

[UngeheuerLich]

spellcasting was always in clear and strong voice.

And yes, 5E is not precise in this as it is not precise in many things, so if we default to 3.5e Perceptions(Listen) DC for spellcasting would by -10 or 0 if being generous.

maybe 5E24 will be more clear about those specifics.

Why should we default to 3.5?
We could as well default to OD&D.

5e is a different game.

 

[Horwath]

Why should we default to 3.5?
We could as well default to OD&D.

5e is a different game.

we shouldn't, but some better guidance on this things would be nice.

but all we got is this:

When I cast a spell does the verbal component has to be clearly audible?

D&D Sage Advice ·

www.sageadvice.eu

 

[Sulicius]

Can we move this discussion to the other thread? This doesn’t really seem to be a different discussion.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Why would anyone be shouting at the top of their lungs when casting a spell?

A ranger is sneaky, so maybe he whispers. If he wanted, he could speak in a normal voice. Or go all bardic and do a song. Personally, I'd lean towards a Kevin Conroy Batman voice, but more as a whisper.

It's just flavor. If it doesn't work as written for you and your group, simply reflavor it.

the fact subtle spell metamagic exists proves that is not the case and that it's not possible for the ranger to 'just whisper their spellcasting', spellcasting is an inherently conspicuious act and you can't overwrite that fact with reflavouring,

 

[Minigiant]

the fact subtle spell metamagic exists proves that is not the case and that it's not possible for the ranger to 'just whisper their spellcasting', spellcasting is an inherently conspicuious act and you can't overwrite that fact with reflavouring,

WOTC is too chicken to bring back True magic and True Speech which explains that normal magic is bastardized True Speech.

And True Speech is clear and not quiet as you are telling new rules into reality.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

we shouldn't, but some better guidance on this things would be nice.

I am very confident that might be in the new glossery. fingers crossed

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I am very confident that might be in the new glossery. fingers crossed

I would prefer the glossary to contain advice that is actually useful.

 

[CreamCloud0]

I am very confident that might be in the new glossery. fingers crossed

wow what an awful non-answer. 'let your GM decide'

edit: it'd make sense to me if it was clearly audible within 60ft to line up with counterspell's range, and then maybe detectable with a perception check within 180ft of unobstructed open space.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I would prefer the glossary to contain advice that is actually useful.

That is actually useful. Knowing how loud verbal components are seems like a useful information. It does not take much space either.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

wow what an awful non-answer. 'let your GM decide'

What the hell?
I never said that.

If you refer to the sage advice. That was not the thing I answered to.

I meant that hopefully the glossary will explicitely state how loud verbal components are.