D&D (2024) Ranger 2024 is a bigger joke than Ranger 2014:

[Micah Sweet]

As a teacher, I can tell you, often it is better to decrease your volume to get heard.

That implies the people who you want to listen to you actively want to hear you. Not a guarantee in this situation.

 

[Micah Sweet]

No, it isn't, and you can't point to any official 5E lore which supports this position - you already essentially admitted this earlier in the thread.

Again, what "special training" in 5E is this?

Don't get me started on "official 5e lore".

 

[Micah Sweet]

Which was roundly rejected as being too setting specific for a generic fantasy RPG.

It's not lack of coolness that leads players to reject it, it's too specific an interpretation of how magic functions. It's like the weave. It's okay to say that the magic in a specific setting involves the weave, but it's not okay to say all magic everywhere involves it. Plenty of players do not want someone else's metaphysics imposed on their homebrew settings.

Have they said they're not using the Weave in 5.5?

 

[UngeheuerLich]

That implies the people who you want to listen to you actively want to hear you. Not a guarantee in this situation.

Nope. But usually they want.

 

[CreamCloud0]

Which was roundly rejected as being too setting specific for a generic fantasy RPG.

It's not lack of coolness that leads players to reject it, it's too specific an interpretation of how magic functions. It's like the weave. It's okay to say that the magic in a specific setting involves the weave, but it's not okay to say all magic everywhere involves it. Plenty of players do not want someone else's metaphysics imposed on their homebrew settings.

given how some of DnD's most popular material takes the form of specific settings/entities/lore i think trying to be a 'generic' RPG is actively a hindrance to itself.

 

[DEFCON 1]

But please tell me who are all those people who would be negatively affected by that clarification.

Bob. Eileen. Frank. Ishana. Billy. Fyodor. Karen. LaMorne. Sheila. Bhuv. Huang. Jayson. Antonia. Faraji.

To name just a few. I'd go on, but I wouldn't want to waste your time naming everyone.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

Bob. Eileen. Frank. Ishana. Billy. Fyodor. Karen. LaMorne. Sheila. Bhuv. Huang. Jayson. Antonia. Faraji.

To name just a few. I'd go on, but I wouldn't want to waste your time naming everyone.

So. I am sorry for them if my preference finding its way into the 2024 books will hurt their feelings.

I hope it won't burst your group and hope you find a way to houserule to make them happy again.

 

[DEFCON 1]

So. I am sorry for them if my preference finding its way into the 2024 books will hurt their feelings.

I hope it won't burst your group and hope you find a way to houserule to make them happy again.

Oh no no no... I don't play with any of them. They're annoying. And Fyodor picks his nose.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Honestly, even if I disliked the rule, I would love to see this answered, because I am really tired of people insisting that if I want to cast Charm Person on the guard at the castle gate I MUST BE LOUD ENOUGH TO BE HEARD CLEARLY BY EVERY PERSON WITHIN 300 FT! ENCHANTMENT MAGIC IS SUBTLE AFTER ALL, AND PEOPLE CAN BE AFFECTED WITHOUT NOTICING IT! WHICH IS WHY I MUST BE CLEARLY HEARD ACROSS A LARGE DISTANCE WITH ANY POSSIBLY AMBIENT NOISE! THAT IS EFFECTIVE AT ALLOWING ME TO CAST SPELLS ON PEOPLE AND THEM NOT NOTICE I HAVE ALTERED THEM WITH MAGIC!

It gets a little tiresome as an argument.

 

[Sorcerers Apprentice]

If no one can hear you when you cast a spell with a verbal component, why have it at all on the spell? If it's just flavor as you say, why have a feat or class feature that removes it? Why in fact does the book not state that it's flavor and has no game function?

So that Silence can work.